Mattski Posted June 3, 2007 Posted June 3, 2007 I heard a rumor, does anybody have confirmation that IB has been chopped? Thx Quote
Jens Posted June 3, 2007 Posted June 3, 2007 (edited) Troll? ----------------- I'll bite.... I haven't heard. Rumor has it that a number of climbers (including some highly respected members in the climbing community that are actually sport climbers!) have contemplated removing the bolts and returning it to the state in which is was originally climbed (Or at least 80% of the same line). Why people drive out to climb this route is beyond me. ---------------- Â Edited June 4, 2007 by Jens Quote
Off_White Posted June 3, 2007 Posted June 3, 2007 Dirty Harry said he chopped it, so I think that means it's pretty much just a troll... Quote
JosephH Posted June 3, 2007 Posted June 3, 2007 It wasn't me, I've been too busy lately for that level of community service... Quote
kevbone Posted June 4, 2007 Posted June 4, 2007 I call bullshit. I have friend who climbed it last week. It was all there. Quote
matt_m Posted June 4, 2007 Posted June 4, 2007 predictions on the # of posts this seasonal cc.com (non)debate will get? Â INDEX was hopping this weekend which was great - if you're gonna do ANY community "service" work - come scrub some stuff at index! Quote
Weekend_Climberz Posted June 4, 2007 Posted June 4, 2007 Doesn't everyone know that Jens broke his foot. It'll be at least a few more months before he has a chance to get to it. Be patient :lmao: Quote
rob Posted June 4, 2007 Posted June 4, 2007 (edited) INDEX was hopping this weekend which was great - if you're gonna do ANY community "service" work - come scrub some stuff at index! Â I've been hearing this a lot lately. "Oh man, Index was totally crowded. It ROCKED!" Â Weirdo. Edited June 4, 2007 by robmcdan Quote
dberdinka Posted June 4, 2007 Posted June 4, 2007 Doesn't everyone know that Jens broke his foot. It'll be at least a few more months before he has a chance to get to it. Be patient :lmao: Â Yikes! I broke my ankle a couple years back, right when the weather was getting good. It sucked! But now it's like it never happened. Hope he's ok. Quote
Weekend_Climberz Posted June 4, 2007 Posted June 4, 2007 Yikes! I broke my ankle a couple years back, right when the weather was getting good. It sucked! But now it's like it never happened. Hope he's ok. Â Give him a shout out. He needs some company. Look at all the spray he's contributing. Quote
richard_noggin Posted June 4, 2007 Posted June 4, 2007 AH!!! Another year and the SOS What would be the point of chop'n it now!!! The route has been established for over 4 years the FS and ALPS has accepted the route and there are no access issues at this time. Why would anyone think that they would be justified in chop’n IB now ? Chop'n the route would only make a mess …you know it would be retrobolted, maybe by hand next time…which would make the route totally legal,the work of establishing the route where all the work is has already been done. If anyone does chop it I think they should have the balls to be up front about it...If you have to sneek around to do something you know your not in the right.  Quote
512dude Posted June 5, 2007 Posted June 5, 2007 Climbed it on Sat and it is not chopped but some hangers have been hammered over on pitch 3 or 4. Â Quote
kevbone Posted June 5, 2007 Posted June 5, 2007 Climbed it on Sat and it is not chopped but some hangers have been hammered over on pitch 3 or 4. Â more ego. Quote
G-spotter Posted June 5, 2007 Posted June 5, 2007 Having seen alpine bolts both here and in NZ take a beating from rockfall, avalanche debris etc. it may not have been a human that put the smack down on those bolts. Quote
matt_m Posted June 5, 2007 Posted June 5, 2007 Having seen alpine bolts both here and in NZ take a beating from rockfall, avalanche debris etc. it may not have been a human that put the smack down on those bolts. Â Dru's right - I saw one or two last year - deffinitely rockfall related... Quote
mattp Posted June 5, 2007 Posted June 5, 2007 Most of the route lies in a geologic hazard area, that's for sure. Maybe they should have used a jackhammer to make divots in the rock surface so the bolts and hangers could have been installed sub-grade, or maybe drilled #4 stopper pockets so you could just climb with a rack of #4 stoppers. Quote
matt_m Posted June 5, 2007 Posted June 5, 2007 INDEX was hopping this weekend which was great - if you're gonna do ANY community "service" work - come scrub some stuff at index! Â I've been hearing this a lot lately. "Oh man, Index was totally crowded. It ROCKED!" Â Weirdo. Â Not crowded - everyone had a place to climb and it wasn't bothersome - it was great to talk to other index fans and see people out - I'm not a solitude climber I guess - hate the yosemite crowds though - don't get me wrong... Quote
JosephH Posted June 5, 2007 Posted June 5, 2007 What would be the point of chop'n it now!!! To show the climbing community can police itself even if it takes 4-5 years to get around to it.  The route has been established for over 4 years the FS and ALPS has accepted the route and there are no access issues at this time. Why would anyone think that they would be justified in chop’n IB now ? See above...  Chop'n the route would only make a mess If done right, you'd never know it was ever there.  you know it would be retrobolted, maybe by hand next time…which would make the route totally legal, the work of establishing the route where all the work is has already been done. It could simply be chopped again.  If anyone does chop it I think they should have the balls to be up front about it...If you have to sneek around to do something you know your not in the right. I would have no problem with that... Quote
Raindawg Posted June 5, 2007 Posted June 5, 2007 I call bulls$%t. I have friend who climbed it last week. It was all there. Â me 'n my buddy pope will award a case of tasty beer to the heroes who erase the "infinite bliss" atrocity. We'd do it ourselves but frankly, but we don't have the time it would take to perform this task with the care it deserves. Cold beer awaits you! Â Â P.S. Although Mickey's is our favorite, we'll try to get you whatever you like. Quote
matt_m Posted June 5, 2007 Posted June 5, 2007 For all you new CC.comers - this is the same post as spring 06, spring 05 and spring 04 - Â IB only comes up on radar here - as stated above it's a non-issue. Â Some people still think West Face of leaning tower should be chopped.... Â Â Â Â Quote
JosephH Posted June 5, 2007 Posted June 5, 2007 as stated above it's a non-issue. So long as you embrace community paralysis, collective avoidance, and individual denial. Quote
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