how do you respond to this?

[catfishjon]

"Gotta hate risk inclined people who outsource the bills to the rest of us"

 

"It really sucks if they don't find anyone to charge for the rescue."

 

overheard while discussing the Mt Hood scenario by a non-climber...

 

thoughts?? I was too miffed to even respond

[catbirdseat]

For every climber SAR event there are 50 missing children, 100 alzheimer's victims who have wandered away, 10 lost hunters. Those events don't have the same drama that lost climbers do. How are climbers any less deserving than anyone else?

[icemaster]

Maybe all of you hiker dudes could just pass the hat.

[OrganDonor]

I hope one day that guy needs rescued himself. Then I hope they send him a fatty bill.

[Weekend_Climberz]

By moving this crap to "Spray" and pointing said user to some facts about rescue costs and directing them to the WTA website

[catfishjon]

By moving this crap to "Spray" and pointing said user to some facts about rescue costs and directing them to the WTA website

 

Spray forum: "If it's not climbing related this is where you post it. Be warned this forum is not for the thin skinned."

 

i dunno, maybe i am wrong, but this seemed to be related to climbing...thanks for replying nonetheless!!

[archenemy]

Is a climber's life somehow worth less than a non-climber's life?

Is it worth less than a premie born addicted to crack?

Is it worth less than someone who has to be cut out of their car after a horrible accident?

How does one calculate this?

What is the cutoff amount? Who decides?

What if it were your child? Your husband? Your brother who were lost up there? How much would they be worth? How would you feel if while they were looking for your loved one others were discussing the economics of that person?

 

[Choada_Boy]

How about all those fat fucks who eat like shit and couldn't run a half-mile if you held a gun to their head? Is that why my insurance premiums are so high?

[Macson]

"Gotta hate risk inclined people who outsource the bills to the rest of us"

 

 

Oh, I didn't see the part where the climbers called 911 for rescue.

[Macson]

How about all those fat fucks who eat like shit and couldn't run a half-mile if you held a gun to their head?

 

Exactly. Talk about risk....what are the risk factors for heart disease and diabetes?

 

Is that why my insurance premiums are so high?

 

Yes.

[tradclimbguy]

Same line of thought as CatBirdSeat, but what about all those fat smoking lazy bastards who clog our medical system with heart disease, emphysema, diabetes and all the other health problems related to being a fat lazy F*ck.

 

Just like the comment:

"It really sucks if they don't find anyone to charge for the rescue."

 

How about: It really sucks if we continue to let people like this drain our system.

 

Maybe we need warning signs when entering McDonalds or BurgerKing just like the signs we need posting "No climbing" on all our mountains.

[tradclimbguy]

How about all those fat fucks who eat like shit and couldn't run a half-mile if you held a gun to their head? Is that why my insurance premiums are so high?

 

Damn. I type too slow. hahaha

 

Good point Choada boy!

[Stefan]

"Gotta hate risk inclined people who outsource the bills to the rest of us"

 

Ask him what he is doing to stop the spread of sexual related diseases from risky behavior--that's a billions of dollars related question. He is wasting my time and yours with questions of search and rescues when the cost is in the thousands of dollars.

[ClimbingPanther]

"It really sucks if they don't find anyone to charge for the rescue."

 

As has been said elsewhere on the board, people that say stuff like this are just too stupid to put things in perspective. They've been induced by recent news to hastily and shoddily form an opinion on a subject they know nothing about. I am 100% positive that people who live unhealthy lives and subsequently drain Medicare & our private insurance companies are having a far greater impact on our wallets per capita than climbers. Too bad the bills for self-inflicted health problems are often far beyond what any person could hope to repay. Too bad there's no line in the sand on an "acceptable level of smoke" or "...fat" or "sugar." Likewise, there will never be a line in the sand on weather or climbing difficulty. Why should we recoil from paying peanuts to rescue a few people now and then? We have been given a wonderful gift which resides (for most of us) between our ears, and everyone ought to use it more.

[Maestro]

And lets not forget all the drug-seekers who show up at medical clinics with fake "pain" trying to abuse the system to get their fix.

[wfinley]

Or $5,000,000,000 / month in Iraq.

[archenemy]

It is amazing to me that anyone would compare one type of health related to another as if those are our choices. If you look at last year's budget, you will see that the money spent on Labor, Health and Human Services, and Education are less than half of what we spend on Defense. Where are our priorities? We are willing to spend twice as much to kill someone than we are willing to spend on saving someone? I just don't get it.

[tvashtarkatena]

Freeze dry the sedentary.

[kevbone]

Spray forum: "If it's not climbing related this is where you post it.

 

I have quoted this a million times here. Doesnt matter. Folks choose to post shit that ant climbing related all the time in non spray form. All that matters is how the moderator at the time feels. Biased at its best, or worst.

[Gary_Yngve]

Aren't like 50% of all emergency room visits drug- or alcohol-related?

 

I'm sure the govt or insurance (i.e. all of us) absorbs most of that cost.

[LandShark]

Throwing up your hands and saying people are too stupid to get it doesn't really advance the ball at all. Tell them what you think, plain and simple. Silence=consent. Don't like it? Speak up regardless of whether they will change their views. Some won't but some will.

[archenemy]

Throwing up your hands and saying people are too stupid to get it doesn't really advance the ball at all. Tell them what you think, plain and simple. Silence=consent. Don't like it? Speak up regardless of whether they will change their views. Some won't but some will.

Maybe I read ClimbingP's post differently, but after the "too stupid" comment, he followed up with his thoughts. Maybe you were referring to some other post on this thread? Aren't most folks on this board doing exactly as you suggest--speaking up?

[tvashtarkatena]

FREEDOM!

Edited December 19, 2006 by tvashtarkatena

[Ptown_Climber1]

Somebody referred to diabetes as a disease solely having to do with dietary habits.....this is bs. There is Type 1 (early onset) and Type 2......they might as well be two different diseases...Three people in my family had Type 1, and my family's pretty active....I lost my bro at 38 years old to diabetic complications....I'd climbed many a Cascade peak with him before this incident, so obviously he was in good shape.....so just an fyi, don't confuse Type 1 from Type 2(which is the one fat people often get).

[catbirdseat]

Type 2 is a whole lot more common than Type 1 and the situation is getting progressively worse.

 

It was a lunch that would horrify a dietitian: a bag of Tropical Skittles, a Jones soda, two Little Debbie marshmallow treats, a deep-fried pizza stick and a bottle of sweetened iced tea.

 

Seattle Students getting Junk-Food Fix Elsewhere (Seattle PI)

Edited December 20, 2006 by catbirdseat