It appears Bush was right after all...

[sk]

mikeadam said:

I'll resurrect alpinelite here before too long and put some pictures up.

woooHOOO

 

edit

 

I am so suck

 

Edited August 6, 2003 by Muffy_The_Wanker_Sprayer

[eternalX]

hrm. After all three pages of discussion, I vote for minx getting back to talking about tying her coconuts together.

 

[mikeadam]

gregm said:

mikeadam said:

I wear shades

 

mike,

 

glad to hear you're a bad ass in sunglasses. i'm trying to look cool/tough myself lately so i'm wondering exactly what make and model of shades you're wearing so i can sport the same look so to speak. gotta keep up with the "in" trends if you know what i mean. thanks.

 

your pal,

greg

 

Gregory,

 

Heard you fell off something and died. Guess I'll have to hold off on the celebration called "tribute to an internet tool".

 

Well according to the letter from Sue we found on top of mailbox peak, you should only accept fashion advice from your butt buddy Phil. Seems you follow him around like a puppy dog.

 

Take care-your pal,

 

Mike

[Fairweather]

RobBob said:

but everyone here wants to spout off about it like they know what the fuck is up

 

why read it? my comment to you is solely focused on your threat of physical violence to somebody on this board. You say people have an isolated view of the world. I say you've got a sorry view of reality if in fact you are over 21 years old and still think bullying people with physical threats is the way to deal with opinions you don't like.

 

If you don't get it, I'm not gonna waste anymore time explaining it anymore. Go slap a Baathist, get it outa your system.

 

RobBob,

 

I think MikeAdams slam/threats to (notreallya)Dr Unamazing are in response to the Dr's previous post (in another thread) in which he asked Mike to "save a round for Bush when you get home". I could be wrong, but threatening the life of the president, or encouraging such is a felony.

 

This is one case where I don't mind Dr Ass-wad seeing the potential consequences of his idiotic posts.

 

MikeAdam, I salute you.

[mattp]

I could be wrong, too, Fairweather, but I believe that in a rhetorical discussion such "encouragement" that you complain about can only be taken for the rhetoric that it is and I bet that even if you forwarded that post on to the Secret Service they would likely take no action on it. Should someone seek to file Federal felony charges, I would predict acquittal. Mr. Adamson's personal threats, however, are much more believeable.

[Fairweather]

Matt, you're probably right. But I think some of Dr F's posts are well over the top, and often written to elicit just such a response as that brought forth by Mikeadam.

 

My applause is strictly emotional.

[rbw1966]

Actually, a cartoonist was the subject of a secret service investigation for drawing a picture of bush being shot so I am not so sure they would take DFA's comment idly.

 

I'm not defending adamsons actions either though. Their both 'tards. DFA likes goading adamson with ridiculous vitriole and adamson likes measuring his dick in front of everyone.

 

This is spray right?

[AlpineK]

Fairweather said:

Matt, you're probably right. But I think some of Dr F's posts are well over the top, and often written to elicit just such a response as that brought forth by Mikeadam.

 

My applause is strictly emotional.

 

If you dissagree with the Dr then making fun of him is cool. You disagree with me, and make fun of me, and that's ok.

 

But disagreeing with someone and threatening to beat the shit/shoot/etc. of them is just plain not cool.

[Billygoat]

I am just so glad our troops are over there killing and dying in the name of contol, obsfucation and profits. I feel warm all over.

[mattp]

Fairweather,

 

Consider the very real possibility that there are lots of people on this site who find your posts to be pretty consistently "over the top" as well. You are not quite the smartass that we see in DFA, but you do get pretty far out there as compared to the cc.com mainstream. Would you have people who are angered by your rhetoric applaud the person who threatens you?

 

RBW -

You are right, they can get all bent out of shape about "threats" that are not real, like one once sent by an eight year old kid I once knew. They have to take that kind of stuff seriously. In the case of a political cartoon that was published in a widely circulated medium, however (and I'm only guessing that is what you are referring to), the reacion may have been as much political as a matter of protecting the president.

 

-Matt

[Cpt.Caveman]

mikeadam said:

gregm said:

mikeadam said:

I wear shades

 

mike,

 

glad to hear you're a bad ass in sunglasses. i'm trying to look cool/tough myself lately so i'm wondering exactly what make and model of shades you're wearing so i can sport the same look so to speak. gotta keep up with the "in" trends if you know what i mean. thanks.

 

your pal,

greg

 

Gregory,

 

Heard you fell off something and died. Guess I'll have to hold off on the celebration called "tribute to an internet tool".

 

Well according to the letter from Sue we found on top of mailbox peak, you should only accept fashion advice from your butt buddy Phil. Seems you follow him around like a puppy dog.

 

Take care-your pal,

 

Mike

 

Said so well.

 

People like him are busy trying to make a name for themselves it's fucking stupid.

 

I wear FUCK OFF tm brand sunglasses. Take a close look in person -there is a big fucking fist ready to fly atcha.

[Fairweather]

mattp said:

Fairweather,

 

Consider the very real possibility that there are lots of people on this site who find your posts to be pretty consistently "over the top" as well. You are not quite the smartass that we see in DFA, but you do get pretty far out there as compared to the cc.com mainstream. Would you have people who are angered by your rhetoric applaud the person who threatens you?

 

RBW -

You are right, they can get all bent out of shape about "threats" that are not real, like one once sent by an eight year old kid I once knew. They have to take that kind of stuff seriously. In the case of a political cartoon that was published in a widely circulated medium, however (and I'm only guessing that is what you are referring to), the reacion may have been as much political as a matter of protecting the president.

 

-Matt

 

Matt,

 

I don't claim to swim in the mainstream here. I would point out however, that I have never been so "over the top" as to warrant a censored post, and to the best of my recall never have faced the moderators "delete" key.

 

As for anyone wanting to physically threaten me because of my stated beliefs; yes, I see your point. Although in this "spray" forum it is often hard to take anything seriously. I, personally, would not be concerned unless the threat was specific and the person making the threat had knowledge of my location and the wherewithall to carry it out.

 

The Dr, however, should realize that deliberately goading someone who has spent several months in a virtual free-fire zone, where civilized norms are necessarily put on hold, can be a hazardous proposition. (Not an excuse, just an observation.)

 

While I agree with much of Mikeadam's politics, and while I salute Mikeadam for his service, both civilian and uniformed, I would encourage him to retract his threats directed at Dr Flash. Just as I retract my support for those threats. I would also encourage Dr Flash to abstain from supporting or suggesting violence against president Bush.

[mattp]

Fairweather said:

While I agree with much of Mikeadam's politics, and while I salute Mikeadam for his service, both civilian and uniformed, I would encourage him to retract his threats directed at Dr Flash. Just as I retract my support for those threats. I would also encourage Dr Flash to abstain from supporting or suggesting violence against president Bush.

 

I agree with these statements almost entirely. I would re-write your paragraph as follows:

 

Mattp would say:

While I disagree with much of Mikeadam's politics, ... I salute Mikeadam for his service, both civilian and uniformed, [and] I would encourage him to retract his threats directed at Dr Flash. [i do not] support those threats. I would also encourage Dr Flash to abstain from supporting or suggesting violence against president Bush.

 

Although you may believe I am tainted by the fact that I tend to agree with "the doctor," I would have to say, however, that I don't think he has ever been any more provocative than lots of cc.com posters around here. To suggest that his inflammatory posts have caused him to deserve being subjected to threats of violence is, in my view, "over the top" (even if you then backtrack from that suggestion and say you withdraw your support for those threats).

[Fairweather]

.....gimme a break.

[Fence_Sitter]

do get pretty far out there as compared to the cc.com mainstream.

 

i started writing shit, but i think i'll just point it out instead

[Dr_Flash_Amazing]

The bold and intrepid Dr. Flash Amazing sails once again directly into the furiously swirling eye of a Force 10 Controversy, armed only with his wit, hopelessly skinny legs, and a brash disregard for the ever-looming fist of fate hovering inches from his face!

 

In case you missed it, M'Adam was in a bit of a state because the large-mouthed Dr. Flash Amazing suggested that MA keep his head up over there, implying that perhaps it might get removed for him. Insensitive, it's true, and since deleted by this very Doctor. Given, however, the nature of Mr. Adamson's usual manner of discourse, and having a hunch that he's a bit of a troller himself, it didn't seem too unreasonable to stuff such a potato in his tailpipe.

 

Naturally, the ensuing bang was quite startling, but no permanent damage was done, and DFA and MA have set a date for tea and scones upon the latter's safe return from the MidEast (not).

 

As for suggestions that the President might be better off in a pine box, the Doctor merely imagined that, were he parked in downtown Baghdad getting mortars lobbed at him, with the knowledge that his very presence there was predicated on fabricated evidence and that his veterans' benefits were being unceremoniously eviscerated by the rascal that shipped him over there in the first place ... suffice it to say it might be rather upsetting. And, knowing MA to have something of a, shall we say, less than pacifist bent, it seemed a fine opportunity for some sassy, sable humor. In any case, one would hope that it would be clear that the quip was just that, a nonserious quip, and a far cry from a call for assassination. Keen observers will note that DFA is something of a hopeless bleeding heart pacifist, and would recognize such a remark as inconsistent with his core belief of human life being sacred. Even if it's the life of an evil scoundrel.

[allthumbs]

groveling bitch nicely done

[erik]

Dr_Flash_Amazing said:

The bold and intrepid Dr. Flash Amazing sails once again directly into the furiously swirling eye of a Force 10 Controversy, armed only with his wit, hopelessly skinny legs, and a brash disregard for the ever-looming fist of fate hovering inches from his face!

 

In case you missed it, M'Adam was in a bit of a state because the large-mouthed Dr. Flash Amazing suggested that MA keep his head up over there, implying that perhaps it might get removed for him. Insensitive, it's true, and since deleted by this very Doctor. Given, however, the nature of Mr. Adamson's usual manner of discourse, and having a hunch that he's a bit of a troller himself, it didn't seem too unreasonable to stuff such a potato in his tailpipe.

 

Naturally, the ensuing bang was quite startling, but no permanent damage was done, and DFA and MA have set a date for tea and scones upon the latter's safe return from the MidEast (not).

 

As for suggestions that the President might be better off in a pine box, the Doctor merely imagined that, were he parked in downtown Baghdad getting mortars lobbed at him, with the knowledge that his very presence there was predicated on fabricated evidence and that his veterans' benefits were being unceremoniously eviscerated by the rascal that shipped him over there in the first place ... suffice it to say it might be rather upsetting. And, knowing MA to have something of a, shall we say, less than pacifist bent, it seemed a fine opportunity for some sassy, sable humor. In any case, one would hope that it would be clear that the quip was just that, a nonserious quip, and a far cry from a call for assassination. Keen observers will note that DFA is something of a hopeless bleeding heart pacifist, and would recognize such a remark as inconsistent with his core belief of human life being sacred. Even if it's the life of an evil scoundrel.

 

[RobBob]

That was so long that we need Mtngoat to do a rebuttal.

[vegetablebelay]

I'm sure it's too little, too late as the black helo's and pizza delivery trucks are most likely converging on DFA's place as we speak.

[Dr_Flash_Amazing]

Good heavens! You would utter the name of He Whose Name Ought Not Be Uttered? You're a brazen lout.

 

Anyway, this has nothing to do with the ultimate importance of The Market and Your Own Personal Moneystash, so Herr Goat probably has nothing to interject.

[Ratboy]

Dr_Flash_Amazing said:Anyway, this has nothing to do with the ultimate importance of The Market and Your Own Personal Moneystash, so Herr Goat probably has nothing to interject.

 

[lummox]

News Anchor Dan Rather, The Reverend Jesse Jackson, NPR Reporter Cokie Roberts, and an American Marine were hiking through the jungle one day when they were captured by cannibals.

They were tied up, led to the village and brought before the chief. The chief said, "I am familiar with your western custom of granting the condemned a last wish. Before we kill and eat you, do you have any last requests?"

Dan Rather said, "Well, I'm a Texan; so I'd like one last bowlful of hot, spicy chili." The chief nodded to an underling, who left and returned with the chili. Rather ate it all and said, "Now I can die content."

 

Jesse Jackson said, "You know, the thing in this life I am proudest of is my work on behalf of the poor and oppressed. So before I go, I want to sing "We Shall Overcome" one last time." The chief said, "Go right ahead, we're listening." Jackson sang the song, and then said, "Now I can die in peace."

 

Cokie Roberts said, "I'm a reporter to the end. I want to take out my tape recorder and describe the scene here and what's about to happen. Maybe someday someone will hear it and kno! w that I was on the job til the end." The chief directed an aide to hand over the tape recorder, and Roberts dictated some comments. She then said, "Now I can die happy."

 

The chief turned and said, "And now, Mr. Marine, what is your final wish?"

"Kick me in the nuts," said the Marine.

"What?" said the chief. "Will you mock us in your last hour?"

"No, I'm not kidding. I want you to kick me in the nuts," insisted the Marine.

So the chief shoved him into the open, and kicked him in the #####. The Marine went sprawling, but rolled to his knees, pulled a 9mm pistol from his waistband, and shot the chief dead. In the resulting confusion, he leapt to his knapsack, pulled out his M4 carbine, and sprayed the cannibals with gunfire. In a flash, the cannibals were dead or fleeing for their lives.

 

As the Marine was untying the others, they asked him, "Why didn't you just shoot them? Why did you ask them to kick you in the nuts?"

 

"What!?" said the Marine, "And have you assholes call ME the aggressor?!?"

 

 

 

[gregm]

never underestimate the power of ignorance and stupidity:

 

from http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/07/international/worldspecial/07LEGE.html

 

G.I.'s Have X-Ray Vision. Of Course.

By JOHN TIERNEY

 

 

AGHDAD, Iraq, Aug. 6 — As an American soldier peered out of a passing tank, a young engineering student and a retired accountant contemplated one of the more common questions on the streets of Baghdad: Did the soldier's wraparound sunglasses give him X-ray vision?

 

"With those glasses, he can definitely see through women's clothes," said the engineering student, Samer Hamid. "It makes me angry. We are afraid to take our families out on the street."

 

 

The retired accountant, Hekmet Tinber Hassan, smiled and said it was a baseless rumor, just like the widespread story that Saddam Hussein had been secretly working for America and was now at a C.I.A. safe house. "I do not believe Saddam is in America," Mr. Hassan said. "I heard he went to Tel Aviv."

 

Just as truth is the first casualty of war, urban legends seem to be the first creation of a military occupation, especially when the cultural gap is as wide as it is here. After life under Mr. Hussein, people here are accustomed to conspiracy theories and ready to believe the worst about anyone in power.

 

Of course, Americans have been circulating their own kinds of legends, starting with the fantasies a few months ago that the occupying troops would be peacefully welcomed by a nation of grateful flower-waving citizens. But there have been more guns than flowers. In the urban legends flourishing here, the soldiers triumphed thanks to Mr. Hussein's treachery and to American technology. The legend about the X-ray sunglasses may have evolved from reports about the soldiers' night-vision goggles, or maybe just from the imposing Terminator image of the soldiers.

 

Compared with the residents, who cope with 120-degree heat by staying in the shade and dressing in light clothes and sandals, the soldiers have the look of robotic aliens as they patrol in the midday sun wearing combat boots, helmets and armored vests.

 

Some Iraqis say the soldiers take special pills that keep them cool, but the most common theory is that they have portable air-conditioners — usually said to be inside the vests, but sometimes placed in the helmet or even the underwear.

 

"There is fluid circulating throughout the underwear," said Mr. Hamid, the engineering student. "I am not sure of the exact mechanism, but we all know the Americans have very sophisticated technology."

 

Aadel Delli, the owner of a food market in downtown Baghdad, said he did not believe the air-conditioned-uniform stories, which he attributed to popular doubts about Americans' capacity for discomfort. "Most Iraqis thought the American soldiers would be gone by now because they could never stand the summer in Iraq," he said.

 

Sweltering soldiers have tried dispelling the myths about their gear by letting Iraqis touch their vests and try on their sunglasses, but some legends will not die.

 

"I let a kid put on my sunglasses, and he was still convinced they had X-ray vision," said Sgt. Stephen Roach, a soldier from Lufkin, Tex. "He kept saying to me, `Turn it on, turn it on.' "

 

When they are not peering through women's clothes, the male soldiers are said to be groping underneath the clothes during searches at checkpoints, supposedly provoking some of the attacks on soldiers. (Never mind the absence of evidence for this theory.)

 

Other versions of the ugly-American stories have the soldiers drinking beer (or sometimes Kool-Aid laced with alcohol) inside their tanks near mosques. They have been accused in the Arab press of using pages from the Koran for toilet paper and of giving children candy packets containing pornography.

 

The rumors became so numerous that Al Sabah, a new daily paper run by Iraqis with financial backing from the Coalition Provisional Authority, the American-run administrative organization, printed a supplement debunking them. "It will take awhile for people to reject the conspiracy theories," said its editor, Ismael Zayer. "Under Saddam, people had to depend on rumor because they could not trust the media."

 

Some of the stories seem intended to encourage the fighters who have been attacking Americans. G.I.'s are said to be so demoralized that 30 percent of them have already abandoned their posts and paid $600 apiece to escape by an underground railroad to Turkey or Syria.

 

Others have supposedly converted to Islam and fled to marry women in Saudi Arabia. There are also rumors that Americans are hiding their casualties by dumping large numbers of soldiers' bodies each night into the Tigris River.

 

Frustration seems to feed many of the rumors. Why would the builders of smart bombs and X-ray sunglasses take longer to restore power than Mr. Hussein did after the 1991 Persian Gulf war? The Americans must be withholding electricity as revenge for the attacks on soldiers. People swear there have been Army vehicles driving around with signs announcing that power will be restored when the attacks stop.

 

For all the frustration, there remains some admiration for the occupiers, as seen in a popular fashion accessory on teenagers like Zahra Thaer, 13. She was walking down a sidewalk in Baghdad wearing a new pair of wraparound sunglasses.

 

"These are the latest style," she said, explaining that she had been lucky to get one of the last pairs left in the store.

 

Did she believe the soldiers' glasses gave them X-ray vision?

 

"I am not so sure about their sunglasses," she said. "But I know about the helmet. Inside each helmet is a map showing the soldier the location of every house in Iraq. My friends at school told me about it."