max

nerd? ok. better than a loud mouth dick-head (I'm not talking about caveman here....) oh yeah. And my question was not "is it right or wrong", it's "should they get in trouble" Cave: What's that you're always telling people... "if you'd f*&^ing read my post above, you'd understand me better"

1. I suspect they're not looking for your sympathy. Support, maybe, but sympathy, I doubt. 2. Non-violence is a fundamental part of Buhdism. Maybe differnt monks in china?

I think it's worth pointing out that there who believe hurting another is wrong no matter what! The monks in tibet are at a serious disadvatage/moral dilema in that no matter what force the chinese use(d) to occupy tibet, the monks can only retaliate w/ non-violent methods.

Pushing entire tower over to make it safer is ok but bolts to make it safer are not. Hmm. I'm not going to try and determine exactly who's in favor of what from the posts above (I can hear it now "reading comprehension problem..."). I'm just going to point out it seems silly to be "anti-bolt" on the grounds of environmental disruption and pro tower-pushing-over. I'd be interested to hear from the posters above. To what degree (i.e. fines? jail time?) should the person(s) that pushed the tower over be prosecuted. My opinion: !If! the act was intentional, they should recieev jail time for this. They destroyed public property and destroyed something I considered to be beutiful.

no, not a smoke jumper. Jordan and I were supposed to wait at this spot all day in the super hot sun and this little bush was all the shade we could find.

A+B=B+A

http://www.bdel.com/bd/quality_3sig.html The fact that one bd biner broke above the rated strength should not be suprising considering 99.8% of the biners bd tested broke above the rated strength....

I was wandering around and found this in the "Climbing Partners" part... Ski Crystal to White Pass soon

Something makes me thing you (and others) are (ironically) confusing ACLU with NAACP. My understanding is ACLU isn't that interested in race relations.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/aplocal_story.asp?category=6420&slug=WA%20Fatal%20Avalanche

I'll call BS on this. Yeah, you can handle the fruit (just like you can fondle cams in the store), but you can't restock it once someone's brought it home. Obviously a store will take fruit back 'cause it's so cheap they can bite the cost and throw it away. Bring back a $50 case of mangos 'cause you've changed you mind and I bet it'd be a different story! Also, sign or no sign, I don't think a store is under any obligation to accept returns. Then, put a sign on top of it, and I see no reason they should take it back. Also again, I can devise a quite reasonable senario that would warrant (no pun intended!) a "no returns" policy: I buy a cam with the intention of modifying it, but I'm not sure the plan will work. So I leave the label on, try my hyjinx, then when it doesn't work, try and return it. (I've tried this with anon-climbing item. I'm a ) Finally, I would ask if the person who started the thread (sorry, I don't remeber your name, and also, I feel your frustration!) if they noticed the sign. If so, you should have known better, and if not, how can FF make the sigh any bigger?

if they're not carding people at the door.

You'll also notice a picture of one of our own cc.com'ers. How exciting!

Some situations require extra attention. I always try to pay extra attention when I'm scared. Seems like a positive use of something most people try to avoid.

shed-head: Seriously though...what do people think of rapping vs lowering off a questionable anchor? It seems to me rapping would be the way to go but what do I know??? ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ how about... neither?

The Gallatin National Forest has released a Benchmark Travel Management Plan that would seriously impact access to the ice climbing in Hyalite Canyon just South of Bozeman, Montana. The benchmark plan would result in the road being plowed to the Langhor Campground at which point a gate would block the road. Beyond the gate the remainder of the road would be groomed for snowmobiles and skiers. If implemented, this plan would force ice climbers to reach the climbs by either snowmobile or by skiing a minimum of 8 miles one-way [to climb Genesis I-the closest climb-would involve 4 to 6 hours of skiing]. The process is still very young, and the Forest Service seems willing and ready to listen to public input. It seems that the Forest Service is not aware of how large a user group the ice climbers are or how important Hyalite is to ice climbing in the Northern Rockies. Therefore it is important to realize that the sooner we all contact the Forest Service the more likely they are to amend the plan and include access to the ice climbs. The first public comment period ends Friday, November 22, 2002. If you are "from out of town/state/region", the important message to convey in your comments is that Hyalite Canyon is nationally and internationally know for the quality and quantity of ice climbs. Please also inform the Forest Service if you have ever climbed ice in Hyalite...how many times and when. If you have not climbed in Hyalite, stress that you plan to or would like to be able to in the future, and therefore, continued access to the climbs is critical. Below are some important points to include in your written comments: 1. Indicate how many times you went ice climbing up in Hyalite last Winter. These "user days" are how the Forest Service quantifies a specific use of Forest lands. 2. Stress that Hyalite Canyon is the only ice climbing area within 150 miles of Bozeman. Therefore, it is imperative that the Forest Service preserve the access to the ice climbs and this important group of public land users. 3. Point out that snowmobiling and skiing are valid recreational activities, but they can be practiced in many places where waterfall ice climbing is unavailable. In Hyalite, Langhor and Moser Creek could still be reserved for cross-country skiing. Other areas conducive to non-motorized use, and particularly cross-country skiing, include Brackett Creek, Sourdough/Bozeman Creek, and Bear Canyon. These are three geographically different areas provide easy access from Bozeman and feature topography that lends itself to cross-country skiing. It seems that the Benchmark Travel Plan provides plenty of other options for motorized, specifically snowmobile, winter use. 4. Suggest that an alternative to the existing Benchmark Plan would be to plow the road to Hyalite Reservoir and clear out the Blackmore Parking Area as a winter turnaround/parking area. Then allow Forest users to continue to drive up the road as long as conditions allowed, similar to the current situation. The reservoir could provide a convenient place to "dispose" of the plowed snow that would ultimately melt and contribute to the water supply during the Spring and Summer. To review the Travel Plan visit http://www.fs.fed.us/r1/gallatin/projects/travel_planning/index.shtml WRITE: [Must be postmarked by Friday, November 22] Gallatin National Forest Attn: Steve Christiansen PO Box 131 Bozeman, MT 59771 E-MAIL: mailroom_r1_gallatin@fs.fed.us Put "Travel Plan Comments" in subject line ON-LINE COMMENT FORM:http://www.fs.fed.us/r1/gallatin/projects/travel_planning/html/form_comments_gnf.htm l Thanks for your attention and activism. Please feel free to contact us with any questions. Barrel Mountaineering 240 East Main Street Bozeman MT 59715 406.582.1335 ph 406.582.1302 fx http://www.barrelmountaineering.com [ 11-11-2002, 08:52 PM: Message edited by: max ]

I drove by drury falls sat morning and ice was forming. Just some rim, but still exciting.

quote: Originally posted by Dru: Carl Sagan (I think) once ... Was it Richard Fienman? [ 08-14-2002, 07:26 PM: Message edited by: max ]

quote: Originally posted by Cpt.Caveman: I got more pulled posts than anyone Maybe that should be the new addition to our profiles: how many post have been pulled.

www.summitpost.com oh wait. That's mt. Dickhead. Sorry... My bad.

quote: Originally posted by Cpt.Caveman: Max you just hate anything coming from my direction. No, I just don't like people being loudmouth jassasses. If you'd shut your trap, I think the other cool stuff about you would shine through. quote: Originally posted by Cpt.Caveman: Come try and shut it up. Thought so wimp. Only the weak resort to violence.

Originally posted by Cpt.Caveman: quote: Max some of us think you might be a loudmouth jackass too Data: Cave/Ray posts: 4146 + unknown number in avitars max posts: 263 Conclusion: caveman is 20x the loudmouth jackass max is. Originally posted by Cpt.Caveman: quote: If she just moved on and shut up and left me alone there would be no issue. Duh quote: You can all say what you want. All I know is allison is asking for it. SHe knows how I will respondI had a neighbor who beat his wife. He used to say things like that. You need help. [ 05-02-2002, 11:52 AM: Message edited by: max ]

I think it's cool the DOT took the time to document and present some of the details concerning the avy danger on HW20 and how they're reducing those dangers. It makes me realize they know how much people want to get up there. I think people often get frustrated because they feel govenment agencies don't understadn the publics desires (in this case: getting into the WA pass area) The DOT coming out and saying "this is what's up there that's keeping it closed and this is what we're doing to try and take care of it" makes people realize they're working on it. And the pictures of that gun are awesome! I'd love to be able to be there for that.

the answer is: no

6 yeah, some geeks just have more staying power than others.