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As you can tell from above, I don't think your going to get one answer about this issue. And You will definately get alot of analysis of the issue. I'd like to offer another form of analysis. You can look at the number of biners, the autolocking features, weight, blah blha blah... But insead, just look at what's been around for a while and still seems to sell pretty well: the good 'ol ATC. Sure, some stupid shit continues to be sold (widemouth nalgenes and hand strengtheners), but at least you know a bunch of people have used them and if there were some issue, it'd have come up by now. I guess I'm not interested in beta testing some new fancy must-have climbing gear. Maybe Im just slow.

http://www.atmos.washington.edu/~ovens/loops/ sample:

Word from the WSP (360.755.9231) is that the pinicles WILL be re-opening (tentatively; snow (ha ha!)) 3/18/05.

Two things: First: Some of us have no other sleeping facilities. Truck dwellers unite! And second: and and Shit. It's no wonder you couldn't finish the route. Quit smoking so much dope. Oh yeah. A third thing This thread deserves to drift into gibberish.

Just what is the thought behind something breathable as a ground cloth? Seems like heavy weight visqueen is lighter, cheaper, and easier...

just rolled into Las Vegas (picking up a freind on the way to joshua tree...) and was greetd by rain. sweet. Poor AK-ites flying down and getting the hose. It's supposed to be sunny on new years day, 20-30 % daily chance of rain until then... time to go see a movie, huh? Hey Ncascades, where are you in jtree? I'll be in a white toyot 2wd w/ a black top. stop and say hi. dave

Let me start by saying I can't say whether or not it helps. I can only relate my experience. I have twice tried this stuff and both times I've stopped taking it after a month (or a little less) because my knees and hips started to hurt more! Was it the gluc.? Who knows. That's the point. Now I by no means want to imply anyone is full of it, but I've heard there's no "real" studies on the stuff and I haven't been able to find anything (online) either. What is this doc talking about? I'd like to know what these studies say. Any info? Like I said above, I;m not saying good or bad here.

I think the clean, perpendicular cut also helps prevent stress cracking at the tips...

? maybe you could give me a ten second explanation

N Chuckanut Ridge trailhead (Bellingham). One other fellow parked next to me got it, a car I saw parked at the arroyo trailhead got it, and there were two fresh piles (of glass) in the parkandride at the Fairhaven exit,... and these are just the ones I've heard of. All on wed, thurs, and friday. I've also been hit at the pine ans cedar lakes trialhead, as has one of my friends. This stuff is rampant!

One pair alpine skis, one pair AT skis gone.

Ill take it.

I'm looking for a room/house to rent in bellingham mid november to mid may, flexible on the timeframe. Personality and funding won't be aproblem. Drop me a line and I'll tell you more. dave grouchous_rex at yahoo dot com

At least for wildland fire applications, I think the use is pretty limited. THey aren't going to work in anything remotely hilly, and the only flat stuff that could really use 24k gallons is flat, worthless sage and grass not worth the cost of the application. But I bet it'd be pretty fucking cool to call in and watch!

Rumor is that two people on a fire crew got a little frisky w/o thinking about the previous day's oak exposure.

Tec Lab's Web Page High marks to Tec Labs for their Tecnu wash. This stuff really works! If you find you're reactive to it, it's well worth your money.

http://www.wheeled-locusts.org/ . Love the name. My opinion: ^ this guy's bogus, but I'd still agree that bike areas are more degraded (and in the end that's what counts.) I also think Galibraith in b'ham is a pretty good example of biker's getting some free land use. Maybe we could consider mtb parks in agency managed areas as mitigation for other recreation impacts. Or Smoky key give-a-ways.

Don't bother ubless you live in Blushastin.

Thanks dave. Powerful. I think the pictures reminded me of what these people and their families have lost. Outside of the pro/anit wart debate, I think it's good to step back and reflect on loosing human life, and say a prayer for these people.

bc rails to trails messed up and tressle on fire

AK. That place is powerful, and not nescessarily in a pleasant way (although I very much enjoyed being there.) When I drove across the tok river between Tok and Delta for the first time, my jaw dropped. I'd never seen such a HUGE river. HUGE. And it was over and over like that: nature in bold face. The expanses of uninterupted black spruce and marshy grassland. Highways that when on for long stretches w/o any (ok, VERY little) development. (Then to think about western AK... that place must be really remote!) Anyways, it's somewhat imposing. I didn't really feel totally at ease there, I think in part, due to how raw the places is. But it felt cool to be out of place, I really appreciated the immensity of it. http://www.virtualguidebooks.com/Alaska/SouthCentralAlaska/GlennHighway/MatanuskaBraided.html http://www.virtualguidebooks.com/Alaska/SoutheasternAlaska/Hyder/HyderCauseway.html http://www.virtualguidebooks.com/Alaska/AlaskaInterior/ParksHighway/ParksHwyNenanaRiver.html

From Planetfear.com: This puts some perspective on the MtRainier speed skuffly.

Will be in PNW and would like to get in some cragging. Anything would be good but some ideas I've had: **** Sam Hill in Icicle canyon, **** those high-up crags approached from the mouth of the Tumwater (retardant rock?) Maybe a little cold and snowy? **** Peshastin if it's cold **** Middle East Wall at Vantage if it's hot. Never climbed there but there's something got to be something reasonable there. Contact me via pm, email (grouchous_rex_at_yahoo.com), or phone 303.818.8568. dave