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quote: Originally posted by Retrosaurus: ...an entablature ledge What is an entablature ledge? I'm somewhat familiar with thte geology/physics of the basalt flows, but have never encountered this term. Could you explain? Thanksdave brannon

quote: Originally posted by erik: ....it is a free flowing bit of drivel...... If this is what you want your communication to be, ok with me! Remeber, "it just spray!"

"it's safe to say the plant would intrude on the pristine environment at Smith Rocks"

quote: Originally posted by klenke: The Gap's clothing is for wannabe outdoor enthusiasts...or sorority girls looking for just the right type of flashy gear to stand out on campus. Yeah, TNF, Patagonia, MH, OR, BD, etc. plaster their labels on things so .... we know we're safe in "gear for extreme conditions", not so everyone knows we're "wannabe outdoor enthusiasts. "

As a side note, I don't think trolling and practical jokes are conducive to a Zen mindset. Maybe you meant something like...dumb.

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Maybe I should clairify (now who needs the Comm 101 course!?) My intent was in pointing out the irony of quote: No climber-type would shop at The Gap. The Gap's clothing is for wannabe outdoor enthusiasts...or sorority girls looking for just the right type of flashy gear to stand out on campus.contrasted against the obvious commercialism and self-identity building many climbers accomplish through "labeled" clothing. Nothing against the Gap, Patagonia, or even cute and chubby 18 month old babies! Have a nice day. dave brannon

quote: Originally posted by erik: max, seeing you are from boulder, i woud [sic] think that the wannabe status was tattoed on your forehead??? right next to r.a.d.o.!!!! Actually, I'm not from Boulder. Malaga WA is my home town. If you're not familiar with WA geography (I've noticed alota' coasties can't see very far beyond the mountains), I'll tell you Malaga is not much of a "Gap"-type place. Also, I think boulder is in 'rado, not "next to." quote: commercialization is bogus, but the shear fact that people where this shit is not grounds for execution....well maybe in some senses it is, but we need to talk to bone about that. I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. Check out TCC's Communication 101 classes. They may be able to help you communicate more effectively. quote: im glad you left our state!! So let me get this straight. I'm ragging on "commercialization", what I can decipher from above seems to indicate you think commercialization is "bogus", but you don't like me. Maybe you can check out their Logic 101 courses too.Finally, what's with this "our state" shit? You sound like a fucking Israeli! Have a nice day. "Ignorance is bliss." dave brannon [ 03-07-2002: Message edited by: max ]

quote: Originally posted by erik: i always thought that canary was classic 5.fun++ with a little heady challenge thrown in for good measure..... but as always all grades are subjective from person to person, area to area.......i have never really nitced the huge differences from areas to areas...but then again i am trying on focusing on the climb and not the numbers.... Eric, you're so Zen!

quote: Originally posted by Crackfiendcarla: 1. June 1/2 & 8/9 Mt Baker 2. 70 students this year... 3. Quit picking on the classes. I simply can't reconcile 1 and 2 with 3. WTF?

quote: Originally posted by glen: "I'm going to climb Rainier because it's the closest volcano to Tacoma" Now that's an objective hazard! Opinion: by visual inspection, it seems Rainier beats them all for total volume, The thing isn't a cone, it's a huge lump! That thing is better modeled with a cube than a cone! By the way, was it ever resolved where the mountain begins? That is, if we were to incise around the base of rainier, and remove all of what's above the incision, where would we cut? This seems critical in calculating the volume. [ 03-05-2002: Message edited by: max ]

ok ok, I know I just asked to have the previous thread about tnf closed, but I can't resist. You know how I was complaining about "expeditions" in my post above? Well, I just went and read the announcement for the tnf talk and noticed this woman was "the first woman to ski waaddington" This is one of those OLN shows I was making fun of! They nearly flew to the summit for their "expedition", and watching this woman ski didn't impress me. Now I'm begining to put all the pieces together and realizing why people are ragging on these tnf speakers so much! oh well, if they can get paid to have fun, more power to them!

OK, it seems pretty slow around here. Maybe it's cause I check the posts every 20 minutes as an excuse not to study. Maybe someone will have something to say about this: As I've progressed in my climbing career, I've picked up little tricks/methods that have improved my climbing, made climbing funner, and enabled me to climb more. I'll share a couple just to give an idea of what I'm talking about. Now these probably aren't mind-blowing to many of you. But for every tip, there's someone at the right level to benefit from that tip, so shareing even the most obvious idea's going to help someone. My tips: Organization: My climbing mentor turned me onto using rubbermaid totes to carry my stuff in. Makes it easy to load into the car and easy to unload when you're tired. Leading: I adopted a mindset of "this sucks, can't get any gear? Move through it even though it sucks... ahh! there's some gear" Having adopted this "seems impossible but I bet I can do it" mindset really helped me leading. (anyone remeber "You can dooo it!") And this was a consciencous focusing, not just something I learned to do. I really had to "mantra" it to myself until I believed it. More rock: Another climbing mentor thing. He filled a waterbottle with grapes and crushed ice, then topped it off with water. I remember how divine this bottle seemed before the last pitch of orbit in early june. Cold water, then some refreshing grapes! So those are my examples. It's obviuos I'm not trying to spray "I'm so hard", cause my examples show I'm a pathetic, know-nothing climber. I just want to hear what tricks some of you more exerienced climbers use. Try to think of a snappy one most peoiple wouldn't think of. One more: snacks, cold beer, clean clothes, and a pair of sandals are worth their weight in gold after a hot day in the icicle. Definately worhtthe time they take to pack.

Yeah, I'm sure most of the people out there doing first acsents, first decsents, and other "big" things are reading the journals and scouring available documentation. But often I'll hear some claim, and I wonder "How do they know that?" Kind of like the bouldering in Leavenworth, skiing all over the cascades, and obscure routes on peaks in the middle of the cascades. People come out and say "I just did a first.... blah blah blah..", then someone says, "wait. That wasn't the first" Just because there's no summit register, no rap slings, and nothing in the literature about it doesn't mean some wacko trad dude didn't do it as part of an un-advertised back and forth traverse! Lots of sick s**t's gone on around here with nobody really having said anything about it. On a related topic: Do any of you watch OLN much? Some of the stuff on there is cool. At least some will gad thing in the Cirque is better than Ali McNuggets. But sometimes, some of the "expeditions" are LAME! They're thing I could do! Admittedly, I'm more lazy than them, and they took the initiative to get the funding and the sponsorship, but is that what really makes an "expedition"? Sorry to klenke for tangent-ing.

quote: Originally posted by klenke: How can something as beautiful as that NOT be protected? Careful that's the logic those sport climbing dweebs use to bolt faces!

Maybe we could have a new forum: "Proposed Mob Scenes" In all seriousness, I think it's pretty cool people from various clubs have taken the time to post their clubs' plans here. Thanks again.

Can somebody please close this post? If your just bs'n , otherwise... help!

I'd be interested to hear what people think about racking their gear. Gearslings? Gearloops? Both? I usually rack pieces of pro on a gearsling, and put draws and biners on my harnesses gearsling. I like how the two are seperated, and it seems to make swapping and reorganizing gear easy and quick. It also seems to keep a good bulk of junk off the gearsling, making it easier to find what I want. And, it's easier for me to swing the gearsling out of the way or into an accesible position than stuff hanging from my harness. That is, in an ackward spot, stuff on the harness can get in the way and be hard to get to. Also, I've been using a gearsling for long enough that it just gets my head set straight when I put the gearsling over my head and onto my shoulders. Kind of a Jedi thing Anybody have anything insightful to add? dave

quote: Originally posted by TIMM@Y: what do you think of the link color now? Somebody above mentioned it was hard to see which page you were on and which numbers could be clicked to jump to another page. I still have this problem. Can we get the underline back? Or a more distinct color? otherwise, looks pretty frickin good!

Nah. Maybe i just can't get into the light idea enough, but it seems like a 50 (or even 60 if that's all you've got) meter rope at 8-9 mm is just fine and still plenty light enough. something I quickly found out when I practiced self extrication and self rescue stuff was that extra rope and long tails could mean the difference between an easy extraction and a shitty/improbable one. I think this especially applies when you're traveling as a two person team. Plus, if an alpine climb is best suited for a 30 m rope, it's probably just a glacier slog....

quote: Originally posted by dyno merchant: by the way...casa que pasa has the best potato burritos Actually, having made numerous samples of both (ignoring the biased standard deviation on the Casa side), the potato burrito and Big potato burrito (with beans, rice, and salad) is better from Illegal pete's in...sorry, Boulder. The Casa PB has WAY too much goopy sauce. Although, I do appreciate the dirty, hippy, smelly casa scene more than the... annoying Illegal pete scene. And the casa potatos are fried better.

quote: Originally posted by dyno merchant: All the bouldering is in a very fragile alpine environment where there are signs everywhere telling you to stay on the main trail. It seems that the boulderers didn't think that the signs applied to them because there are rough climber trails weaving throughout the boulders and the landing zones have been beaten down complete with cutting down small limbs and bushes that are in the way. I think DM has hit on something applicable to nearly all access issues. I think that early in climbing, climbers justified their "trespassing" (I use quotes to imply trespassing in the broad sense) with the the ideas that 1. There aren't very many of us so our violations will have a relatively small impact. 2. Since there are not very many of us, we probably don't occupy very much of the public's conception of land users, and thus the people that put up these signs must be targeting someone else. They don't even really think about us much so they probably didn't direct these regulations at us. In general, these views probably were somewhat true and violations of the regulations in place had minimal effect due to the small number of climbers. Now it's a different story. There are whole lot more climbers and they're definately at the front of some land managers thoughts. But the mentality of "the rules don't apply to us" still prevades. So climbers still ignore "stay on trail" signs, drive around gates, etc.

quote: Originally posted by DM: I am a boulderer and the only reason it sounds like I'm railing on boulderers is because I try to stay realistic about the impacts we have on our environment. quote: Originally posted by erik: is this an oxymoronic statement??? There is absolutely nothing oxymoronic about this...

One time I bivied with a friend in the back of my truck, and when we woke up, all of our snacks, liquor, and.. well, our treats had been scarfed by an unidentified entity. My friend was as dumbfounded as I was. He said he never heard a thing that night. Spooky.

Central Cali Climbing: I've heard of some "Rock" right off the coast of San Fran. Supposedly it's mostly "permanent locals" that hang out there, but they love visitors! About the husband/wife thing: no offence to you or your wife, and I don't even know either of you, but I put squabbly husband/wife teams at the crag right up there with people who bring their dogs and/or kids. dave brannon