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This question will generate 20 pages of BS before you can blink. Some people like Aliens, some people like TCUs and some people like C3s. Buy whatever you're comfortable with.

Hey Wayne I'm glad you thought the route was good and I wasn't just high (though I am a little now so excuse me if I ramble...) When Matt and I climbed the route I had actually snuck a bolt kit into the bag as my recollection was of a clean, featureless arete (which it is). Since we started low down on the left side, I carefully metted out the first pitch to Matt knowing he would have to stop at the base of the killer arete therefore allowing me to have all the glory of the lead, bolt kit in hand. Of course Matt nearly drug me off the belay with a 59+ meter pitch that got him to the top of the difficulties. Had I led that pitch there's a good chance I would have stopped and sunk a nice 1/4" buttonhead somewhere on that arete and now everyone would say "great adventurous climb..... and what a great place for a bolt". But Matt had to screw it all up! I definitely plan on going back with some more pins to fix the belays and maybe some wire brushes but you know how it is...maybe next year I'll get around to it. I've considered going back with a bolt kit as well but I'm real hesitant on that one. Cleaned up and with some of the larger runouts tamed the route would definitely open up for a lot more climbers which I think is a good thing (Note that pretty much everyone who's climbed it so far had at least one solid 5.10 or 5.11 rock climber in the party.) Personally I find bolts to be a useful tool for climbing, they definitely have their place in helping to craft the user-experience on a given climb. Unfortunately adding the first bolt to Mount Shuksan sounds like a dubious distinction to have. Also the jitters you mentioned are a very valuable part of the experience, its what gave the route it's character. On the other hand the route name (named after my first daughter Araya) was inspired by the idea that maybe someday in her twenties she would climb the line and have some understanding or feel some connection to who her dad was when he was young (ok cheesy but whatever...). If thats the case I sure would like to think of her clipping a fat bolt rather than running it out way up in the mountains... Anyway I was trying to get to some point I swear.. oh yah...for the meantime I definitely think it should be left in it's current state. I still think that arete might be tamed by a craftily fixed angle in a horizontal and the rest of the route will continue to improve as the minor looseness and occasional dirt gets clean up. Basically there's no real hurry. The route will evolve. At somepoint the concensus might change. Because honestly as Wayne pointed out this route is sort of unique in that 1 or 2 bolts might open the route up to significantly more climbers without really changing the adventurous nature of the entire route. And then that many more people go climb it and have a good time and then there are that many more happy people which is really what the world needs IMHO. More happy people. MHP with CHPPD So there's a bowl of ice cream calling my name right now but those are my deep thoughts tonight.

Nice work Wayne. Glad you liked it. Another twenty ascents or so and it might actually start getting cleaned up. Still no linkup to the summit of Shuksan....

If I were going to hike all the way in there I'd skip Agnes and head over to Main Gunsight and climb the 5.6 Beckey Route up the SW Arete. I know one person whos done this climb and they said it was spectacular. Looks good too.

There are many phases in life. The one you're in is pretty damn sweet. Awesome pics, keep on enjoying that endless freedom....

The movie and book rights required a confidentiality agreement. Plus the families of the dead have yet to all be informed.

This thread makes me sad. I wish I hadn't mentioned the free ascent. Whats up with the negativity Blake? After a huge effort the guy free'd the roof at 12c!! Amazing! One of the most impressive roof cracks around. Are you really going to slag him because he started from a stance above some piddly little low-5th class approach crack? He also cleaned and free'd the rest of the route at 11-. Apparently though all this might not have gone down in a single push. Regardless you might consider congratulating him rather than dismissing his effort in public. Anyway if anyone here knows the mysterious freeclimber I have his (or his partners) watch that got dropped in the bivi meadow. Darin

Already_on_Top is right!!

Thanks Drew. Better yet post it here. Apparently a number of people are interested.

Anyone got this old issue (July/August 1994) sitting around there house? Looking for the topo to Lady Godiva on Prusik Peak. If someone could scan that into a .gif or .jpg it would be much appreciated.

If your kids are competing at nationals (and doing well!) seems reasonable to presume that they're climbing to the point where tendon damge/injury is a real probability (as in 1-in-10 chance or something). Just have to get your wife comfortable with that notion... I guess the definitive answer is....it's too much when your wife says it's to much. Isn't that how reality works?

Fucking awesome. I wish I had time in my life to waste a perfectly good weekend like that!

Having done the route and owning the guidebook I don't think it will neccesarily be all that helpful. Here is all the beta you might need. The start is obvious. A 50' tall clean 5.8 corner crack on great rock. Climb 3 long pitches 5.8/5.8/5.7 occasionaly runout until beneath a steep yellow wall. Another pitch leads up and left 5.7? to easier terrain. Follow the easy ridgeline 4th and low-5th for a long time until you reach the steep upper buttress. At this point the description in the Beckey guide is impossible to decipher. Off to your right you can see some easier looking terrain. So drop down 10 or 20' then scramble over to a long blocky corner eventually moving right across a slab (5.7?) then up onto an easier slab below the crux pitch. The crux pitch is a long straight up crack system of stiff 5.9. Look for a photo of it on one of several different TRs on this site. One more pitch of 5.7 leads to the final ridgeline. Then 4th class to the summit. Descent: Do not drop down the major gully directly below the summit. Instead look around for a rats nest of webbing on the far side of this gulley. Downclimb to it and start rappelling the regular route. Many rappels later you'll get to the snow gulley. Down climb or rappel that. If you head to the rock wall directly below the gulley you should be able to find some well used rappel stations that will dump you directly onto the relatively flat glacier, presuming you can get across the potentially enormous bergshrund.

Climbed this route Sunday 7/19 and just wanted to give a non-Sol thumbs up. If Sols photos don't make it obvious, this route is absolutely stellar. Definitely one of the best rockclimbs in the range. The 5.11 cruxes are delicate affairs but they are surrounded by plenty of sustained meaty 5.10 crack climbing. Gear is excellent throughout. Lacking Aliens I still managed to sew the hell out of the last pitch with TCUs and BD Micronuts. Sols rack recommendation worked fine for us. On the first pitch save some small cams (blue & yellow TCUs) for the belay. We quickly downclimbed the start of the west ridge (easy 4th class) rather than get tangled up with the three rope teams that were climbing it.

4.5 * 60 / 15 = 18 minutes a pitch. Wow. Thats amazing. Given that building and breaking down anchors as well as reorganizing gear takes a couple minutes you guys must have been averaging what? 6 minutes each per pitch? Incredible, almost hard to believe. Awesome looking line.

ran into a guy Saturday (6/18/09) morning who was hiking out after freeing the Tempest Wall. 12c. Lineup starts to the right, no shoving please.

When a 5.12 climber puts up a 5.10 pitch that max's them out I bet the world ends up with one more route doomed to obscurity. Unfortunate, considering the accessible location and how quality some of that climbing looks. You should go back and throw in a few bolts to make it sane or let someone else. Just a thought...

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I am very confused....how is it you have alpenglow on the barely-headlampless descent followed by full sunshine while drinking beer at the creek? Is that breakfast?

Apparently in their freetime they were putting up sport routes in 1910 as well. Anyone know where this route is? I haven't seen it???

I like my BDs a lot more than the brass offsets for granite. Don't find much use (if any) for the smallest sizes though. Maybe get a 3,4,5 and 6. (even the 3 sees minimal use)

That brings back long forgotten memories. That peak was my first solo ascent ever when I think I was 15 years old. Where have the years gone....?

Looks freaking beautiful though!

I swear somewhere on this website http://www.bolt-products.com/Glue-inBoltDesign.htm these guys talk about drilling out old 3/8" bolts using a $70 12mm diamond tipped drill bit, a powerful drill and a 5-gallon sprayer of water. Something like 5 minutes a bolt? Sounds like a real pain in the ass. Reading that webpage will waste your entire day

This picture strikes me as being a damn near perfect compostion between the mist, the consistent greyness of the granite, the little yellow flowers and the well positioned climber with bright colors. Nice job. I see a full page spread in the next Patagonia Catalog or whomever made the windbreaker.