dberdinka

It looks exactly like Artisonraju from the NE, a peak in the Cordillera Blanca of Peru. The south side (left skyline on screen) is a popular snow and ice climb thats been skied by Patrick Vallecant(sp?) and more recently by a north face sponsored team. I haven't been in the valley to the north, from which you'd get the Paramount look, but there was a photo of it some years back in Climbing.

Here was the avi report from Wednesday morning "Considerable avalanche danger above 4000 feet and moderate below Wednesday, except for a locally high danger on steep sun exposed slopes late morning and afternoon hours Wednesday, especially in areas that have accumulated significant recent snowfall." Hmmm, lets see; High-marking requires steep-slopes 10:30 is late morning Squak/Easton area is south facing and sunny Baker accumulates significant snowfall Considering how easy it is to check the avi report by phone or web, I say these people exercised really poor judgement

Ok, while I'm still not sure exactly what we're talking about I'd like to think that a majority of climbers who are active in the Cascades would agree that a rap bolted multi pitch sport climb off a summit is really, really poor style. Trying to compare it to the East Buttress of S Early is apples and oranges. There 2 bolt ladders were constructed by hand, on lead to connect crack systems on a super classic line. I'm not sure how the new bolts were installed on the East Buttress, but I think a distinction between upgrading old, dangerous hardware and rapping your new greatest route exists. The bolting in the mountains is a slippery slope for sure but actions like those seem to form a point where the slope ends and a cliff begins. Considering how many good, boltless climbs exist in the area, much less all the other areas we could go visit (Enchantments,Chehalis,Anderson River) on a weekend, that route will do little to enhance the climbing experiences of anyone but the first ascentionists.

For those of us not as fully informed, can you give us more information? What was done? how many bolts? in what style were they placed? have bolts been placed where gear could be used? is it a classic, otherwise unprotectable line? While I like clipping big fat bolts as much as the next, the idea of Washington Pass as a sport climbing area makes me start digging around in the garage for a crowbar.

Telemark gear for sale. 190 cm Excaliburs with Superloop bindings on G3 shims for $125. E-mail me at dberdinka@yahoo.com if interested [This message has been edited by dberdinka (edited 02-27-2001).]

There has been a lot of discussion on this same issue regarding telemark equipment, imparticular Scarpa Tele Boots. Prices in the US are well over double of that in Europe. The only importer, Black Diamond, claims that that the higher prices are a result of additional "marketing" costs. In fact several mail-order outfits were shipping to the US at Euro prices without any duty costs, which sort of blows that theory away. However BD aggresively acted to shut these suppliers down by having Scarpa threaten to cut off there supply. So as far as tele gear goes, my impression is they're charging more simply because they can.

I'm not claiming it's there now, but a couple times, while skiing down the Nisqually Glacier/valley towards the bridge I've seen a very impressive, fairly well formed and apparently moderate (???) line maybe 300-400' tall on the east side of the valley maybe a third of a mile up from the bridge. It's in a shady nook and is invisible from the highway, but it is just downvalley from some impressive looking but never completely formed up lines that should be obviously. Happy hunting.

Detailed information on some great climbs in the North Cascades and SW British Columbia, includes photos, maps and descriptions. Soon to be updated. http://www.wwu.edu/~berdind

Couple more photos at /www.wwu.edu/~berdind/alpine/frame.html Phew! Guess I need a better domain name

Alex, I was just kidding. I notice we posted very similar replies at almost the same time to the shocking and controversial "Routes I Like" post. Maybe great minds just think alike. [This message has been edited by dberdinka (edited 12-05-2000).]

It would appear that many people in this forum are taking offense to the idea that someones favorite routes are technically harder than their favorites, or their ability to climb. It also appears that these same people are unwilling to share with the rest of us routes they've found enjoyable. If your ego can't hack that other people might be climbing and enjoying routes you haven't/can't/don't want to do, is it really neccesary to degrade those who can? For whats its worth, some of my favorite trips in the Cascades/Olympics have been: Alpine: Klawatti Peak NE Face of Redoubt Frostbite Ridge, Glacier Peak Challenger Mount Olympus (beautiful) Alpine Rock: East Ridge of Rexford SW Ridge of S Early W Face of N Early N Ridge w/ Gendarme of Stuart W Buttress of Old Settler Rock: Sunblessed in Squamish Anything at Seal Cove, Squamish Careno Corners (and variations) Spaghetti Sauce As far as difficulty verses classic status goes, I believe that challenging oneself can be a very rewarding experience that makes a hard climb much more memorable than an easier climb, hence more "classic". On top of that harder rock climbs generally follow more sustained, ascetic feature on better stone.

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