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quote: Originally posted by Ropegun2001: Cpt. I've been pondering that question. I bet some snickering geek ass computer nerd will beat me to the punch just to piss me off before I can change it to 2002. If I miss the opportunity I guess I'll have to take a back seat to lameboi and just suck the entire year. Maybe the almighty cc.com board dickbrain god Jon will let me have dibs. Jon? Interesting strategy cockmaster? Talk a bunch of shit and then ask for favors. Then again it did work with you mom... cc.com board dickbrain god [ 11-13-2001: Message edited by: jon ]

Lambone- It's raining in Seattle. David- I might be interested too. I have a bud or two that might want to come. We don't smoke kind but we'll til the cows come home, or if Mr. Sheepy if Lambone is there.

I'm in the process of procrastinating in moving into my new crib. If I don't get my crap in there they might give my room to the cat or worse that bastard Ropegoon2001. I'll be there next week make it somewhere close to the UW.

I've noticed the same thing. What the hell. Phil wanna send them an email and find out what the hell is going on?

I think we need to wait for the freshiez to fall in the north of Kabul where Osama bin Hidden is and send a few some dudes in on the pavelows with flight of the valcories blarin on the speakers and while homedudes are skiing down getting some most excellent face shots and chucken their meat off some serious cliffage we can send in a few super hornets with cluster bombs to make a mogel field in front of Osamas cave.

quote: Originally posted by lambone: Jon, that ones been done. So you still haven't won my favorite piece of climbing gear. Keep trying... I don't want your friggin harness with the strapon for lonely nights on the bivi ledge. BINERS...CHECK...ASCENDERS....CHECK....SPORTTRAC...CHECK...MR.SHEEPY........

quote: Originally posted by MysticNacho: the more I see your posts lambone, the more I get to wondrin...... lambone... "lambone".... WHAT is a lambone?! The possibilities for dirty comments and cheap insults are endless! Enlighten me as to the true meaning... He forgot the "r" when he registered. Lamy your from Montana right, whats the saying, Montana where the men are men and the sheep are scared!? Yeeehhaaaawww Lammy get out the velcrow gloves wez getten action tonight!

Scott my hat's off to you, not for just staying sober but for sticking up for yourself in the battlecage. Way to go bra! One of my roommates is in OSAT and even though we don't share the same passtimes he is still a cool dude, and instead of getting wasted he focuses his energy on climbing, A LOT (in Red Rocks now that cock), and he kicks my ass. Personally I don't care whether people smoke the kind stuff or not, as long as they're not hot boxen with me there. I tried it and well I prefer my Guiness , but I sympathize with Scott I had a roommate in college (not for very long that cocksucker) who wakenbaked every damn morning before going to class. The guy was allways so fucking baked he never considered that he might not want to do that while I was in the room considering I was an athlete and subject to drug testing and shit. Whateva man.

The Access Fund: "Your Climbing Future"Virtual Times #14http://www.accessfund.org/November 2001Submissions/comments for the Virtual Times are welcome via email to mailto:john@accessfund.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- IN THIS ISSUE:1. Year-end Note from Sam Davidson, AF Executive Director2. Castleton Tower Preservation Initiative3. Climbers Working to Purchase Boat Rock in Atlanta, GA4. Adopt-a-Crag Events Continue after September 8th5. One-time Public Meetings Concerning the Red River Gorge, KY6. Skytop Update7. Shelf Road Volunteer Weekend8. "Fifty Favorite Climbs" Wins Banff Award9. Department of Corrections -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. Year-end Note from Sam Davidson, AF Executive Director -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Last night we had the first real snowfall here along the Front Range of Colorado. Suddenly it really feels like winter, and the Thanksgiving and Christmas holidays are right around the corner. This is an important time of year for the Access Fund – we typically accept 40% or more of our annual income in the months of November, December, and January. As you visit your favorite peak, crag, bouldering area, or ice routes this season, please think about how much climbing means to you and consider what you can do to help preserve climbing access. There’s proper behavior, of course, what Buddhists call Right Conduct. You can preach the basics to the unenlightened – climb invisibly, leave it natural; join or form a local climbers group, write a Christmas card to your local land manager; and you can make a year-end donation to the Access Fund, the only climbers’ organization dedicated solely to preserving climbing freedoms and protecting the climbing environment. Look for our special mailing in your post box by mid-December. I ask you to give generously to support the Access Fund and other causes, which contribute to a healthier environment, better public awareness of critical issues, and the preservation of personal freedoms. It is these freedoms, after all, which distinguish our nation from others. Best wishes to you and your friends, loved ones, and climbing partners. SAM DAVIDSONExecutive Director EDITOR’S NOTE: Due to the redesign and addition of color to the "Vertical Times," mailing of the newsletter has been delayed by one week. Members should expect to see their "Vertical Times" by Thanksgiving. To join the Access Fund, receive the bi-monthly newsletter, and keep informed about climbing access issues, click JOIN on our website at http://www.accessfund.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2. Castleton Tower Preservation Initiative -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Castleton Tower Preservation Initiative (CTPI) seeks to protect the integrity of one of the most famous and spectacular climbing landmarks in North America. For over 40 years, climbers have come from around the world to camp below and climb on Castleton Tower. The natural beauty of the unspoiled desert landscape is part of what makes the climbing experience on Castleton and other nearby rock formations so appealing. Through the acquisition and preservation of threatened lands, the CTPI endeavors to permanently protect the landscape adjacent to this treasured American climbing icon. The Access Fund has been working with Utah Open Lands (UOL) and the Castle Rock Collaboration (CRC) to assist in the acquisition and preservation of land adjacent to Castleton Tower. Acquisition of a 221-acre parcel by UOL will preserve access to Castleton Tower and permanently protect the historic climber’s bivy site. The Access Fund will be one of the sponsors at a benefit for the CTPI on November 19th at the Market Street Grill in Salt Lake City. Look for periodic updates about the CTPI in future issues of the Vertical Times and e-news. For more information click http://www.castlerockcollaboration.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3. Climbers Working to Purchase Boat Rock in Atlanta, GA --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Boat Rock, a popular bouldering area in Atlanta, Georgia, is threatened by development. The Southeast Climbers’ Coalition and the AF have pledged to preserve access to the area. Members of the SEC have pooled their personal resources as a down payment on the purchase of the 7.7-acre tract on Boat Rock Road in Southwest Atlanta. Additional partners are needed to co-sign on the note and solidify the deal. The SEC currently needs your financial support to make this happen. The AF is prepared to help in a variety of ways, including funding. Interested parties should contact mbmcleod@mindspring.com or click http://www.seclimbers.org/ for more information. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4. Adopt-a-Crag Events Continue after September 8th --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Climbers and volunteers across the United States celebrated the 2nd annual Access Fund Adopt-a-Crag day at 67 climbing areas in 25 states. Over 2,000 people united September 8th to build and restore 150 miles of trail and clear thousands of bags of trash from crags. Adopt-a-Crag Day is the only national climbers’ event dedicated to conservation and grassroots activism. Four more projects took place after September 8th at the following areas: Zion, Utah; Bishop, California; and Lumpy Ridge and the Amphitheater in Colorado. One of the primary goals of Adopt-a-Crag Day is educating the climbing community about the importance of stewardship, and teaching climbers the skills needed to protect their local climbing areas. Galyan’s (http://www.galyans.com/), a sporting goods retailer with 21 locations nationwide, was the 2001 Title sponsor. CLIF Bar (http://www.clifbar.com/) contributed significantly as the Supporting sponsor. In addition to their sponsorship of Adopt-a-Crag, Galyan’s and CLIF Bar are Access Fund Corporate Sponsors. Erosion control and trash removal remained the focus of most events this year as climbers worked side by side with land managers to beautify and restore popular climbing areas. Climber-activists performed improvements in trail maintenance and construction, chalk clean-ups, regrading of switchbacks, building of retaining walls, clearing of drainages and water bar construction, re-rocking of parking areas, mulching and stabilization of belay areas, cliff top enhancement, anchor replacement and more. Most event organizers listed the improvement in public relations with land managers and in the reputation of climbers as the number one benefit of their event. Major highlights included: Hammond Pond, MA – over 90 volunteers between the ages of three and 65 showed up from RI, CT, NH and MA to improve trails, mitigate erosion and trash removal. Participants learned about Leave No Trace and were encouraged to write action letters to Congress regarding Fee Demo. Palisades Park, AL – 41 very organized climbers joined together to clean up this park just outside of Birmingham, AL. This project strengthened relationships with the park employees, board and park superintendent. Lumpy Ridge, CO – The Central Rockies Section of the American Alpine Club partnered with the Access Fund for a successful Adopt-A-Crag day at Lumpy Ridge. This second annual Access Fund event took place on October 13th after being snowed out on September 8. Members of the University of Colorado Alpine and 6 National Park Service employees joined a dozen climbers and staff members of the AAC and AF. The group divided into two teams to improve the climber access trail to the Sundance Needle. One team installed 64 wooden water bars at a point where the climber trail spurs off the Black Canyon Creek Trail. The second team ascended 500 vertical feet to clean the single track trail that descends an 800’ gully on the east side of the Sundance Needle. Independence Pass, CO – climbers worked in conjunction with the Forest Service and the Independence Pass Foundation at the International Outdoor Festival in Aspen Colorado to plant 170 trees on a steep slope at 11,600' below the road (all 12 volunteers are now current AF members). "Grass-roots activism and conservation of the climbing environment are key to the Access Fund’s success in keeping climbing areas open," said Access Fund Development Director Heather Clark. "By organizing Adopt-a-Crag day at crags around the country, we hope to show local land managers, other users of public lands and climbers that we are willing to devote the time and energy needed to protect the resources we all share." For more info on Adopt-a-Crag see the Access Fund website at: http://www.accessfund.org/events/events_wrapup_adopt.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5. One-time Public Meetings Concerning the Red River Gorge, KY --------------------------------------------------------------------------------The Daniel Boone National Forest (75% of all Red River climbs are on national forest land) is holding one-time public meetings about the future of the forest which will affect the future of climbing for the next ten to fifteen years! No local climber should miss these meetings! There are seven locations statewide, from Louisville to northern Kentucky near Cincinnati, from November 26-December 6, 3:00-5:00 pm or 7:00-9:00 pm. The Red River Gorge Climbing Coalition is mobilizing the entire climbing community to get involved. For more information, see the RRGCC website at http://www.RRGCC.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6. Skytop Update --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Representatives from the Mohonk Preserve and the Access Fund met recently with the president of the Mohonk Mountain House, Bert Smiley. Mr. Smiley has received numerous letters in the past few months regarding re-opening Skytop to climbing. Most of the letters were positive, many speaking of the historical significance Skytop holds for climbers, which Bert understands. Mr. Smiley remains optimistic that climbing in some fashion will one day be allowed at Skytop, but can make no commitment as to a time when that may happen. Among the many hurdles to overcome are insurance costs, lack of adequate NY state liability statutes and stewardship issues. A continued letter writing campaign directed at the Mountain House is not recommended at this time, since Mr. Smiley understands climbers’ stance on the subject. Dialogue will continue between the Mountain House, the Preserve and the Access Fund. For more information on the Shawangunks, click on http://www.gunks.com/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7. Shelf Road Volunteer Weekend --------------------------------------------------------------------------------The Rocky Mountain Field Institute will be hosting its 9th Annual Volunteer Trail Maintenance Weekend at the Shelf Road climbing area near Canon City on the weekend of November 17-18. The focus of the weekend will be on the Cactus Cliff trail. To find out more about the weekend or how you can register, call the Rocky Mountain Field Institute in Colorado Springs at 719.471.7736 or click http://www.rmfi.org/ for more information. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8. "Fifty Favorite Climbs" Wins Banff Award --------------------------------------------------------------------------------On the evening of November 1, awards were presented at the 8th Annual Banff Mountain Book Festival held in Banff, Alberta, Canada. Three titles published by The Mountaineers Books—"Kiss or Kill," "Fifty Favorite Climbs," and "The High Himalaya"—were selected as winners in three categories. Best Book—Mountain Exposition, sponsored by Mountain Lights Bookstore, Lake Louise, Canada—$500 was awarded to Fifty Favorite Climbs: The Ultimate North American Tick List, by Mark Kroese ($32.95 trade paperback original; 0-89886-763-0). Kroese is the Vice President of the Access Fund Board of Directors. Jury member Maria Coffey comments, "I like the way we get to know each climber, and learn about their chosen climb through both their personal experience of it and the comprehensive route description." Kroese is donating 25% of the proceeds for his book to the Access Fund. Order your copy today at http://www.mountaineersbooks.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9. Department of Corrections -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Virtual Times regrets the misspelling of the Mohonk in the October issue (#13). -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Virtual Times Policies:1. The Access Fund office in Boulder is the only source ofoutgoing messages to the lists.2. The AF will not sell or give away email addresses for the V-Times.3. V-Times is an announcement-only e-mail list; therefore, you cannot reply to any of the list members.4. All e-mail addresses will remain confidential with every mail sent.

Hey Charlie- A word about weather.com. Don't bother looking at it, unless it's a major city, a computer calculates those forcasts based on a bunch of hocus pocus and is rarely correct. Your better off checking out a local Bend like http://www.bendbulletin.com/news/weather.cfm

Wow I better clarify myself before someone takes my words out of context. I agree with Alpine Tom about all the bad things going on in the world and our ever changing foreign policy, but Clinton cruise missle policy doesn't work and that means planes and troops, unfortunately. I feel very bad for these Afghan people, they have not seen peace in a very long time and what used to be a very beutiful country is now rubble. I don't believe putting their country below sea level is going to accomplish everything. Just because I say we should have planes and helicopters and some troops doesn't mean I think we should carpet bomb the whole place to smitherines. Modern warfare is controlled from the air. I'm not gung ho about this, it's my view that unfortunately this has to be done though. And that means you go all the way or not at all. I have many friends who serve, I'm scared for them and their families. I'm the first male in my family not to serve, honestly not something I'm proud of. Past couple months I've wondered where I would be if I had gone to the USAFA, most likely wouldn't be here arguing with you.

Whatever dude I wasn't asking you. I've got some dirt skis if you want them, looks like you may be needing them!

Anybody know the best way during the winter? Normally I go down 97 because I'm always leaving during traffic times (or is it there is just traffic all the time?). This drive doesn't seem like it would be too much fun during the winter. Besides Hood the other way I have tried is going through Sister and past Hoodoo ski area. Wondering which way would consistantly be the best choice.

quote: Originally posted by sexual chocolate: I'm not sure I know whether or not to take these responses seriously. Is every subject open for sarcasm and whimsical treatment? Well, it is a climber's forum, after all....right? Ok you want my real opinion! I think we need Rangers to secure the airbase in Mazar e Sharrif and bring in Apaches, Longbows, and Pavelows. After the base is cleaned up and the perimeter is under control with the choppers its time to bring in A-10s, F-16s, the whole arsenal and operate them out of that base. Get a Forward Air Controller unit in there to call 24x7 air stikes on Talitubbyban forces. You want to demoralize your enemy strike them with aircraft taking off from their own damn country. Secondly we need to look for a Land Rover north of Kabul in the mountains. I'm pretty sure most Afghanis don't have a fucking Land Rover so it shouldn't be too hard to find. Find Land Rover, find Osama. Then get rid of Talitubbyban because I'm still pretty pissed about them blowing up those statues. So yes I am for the war. I wasn't in the military but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night.

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Last year I almost got this jacket but I went with the Wild Things primaloft jacket instead and am very happy with it. From what I remember I went with the Primaloft because it dries quicker than the Polarguard, and that the design of the Wild Things was just really simple and clean, and slightly lighter.

I think he's a Rear Admiral, or is that you Dru.

quote: Originally posted by Dru: Mammut is coming out with a new Scholler jacket with a wp/b layer in it to compete with traditional nylon gore tex shells. check it out on their website www.mammut.ch (I saw it in an ad in the British magazine On The Edge so don't know if its available in N Am or not) Is this jacket on their website, I didn't see it?

On Monday Novermber 5, President Bush signed the InteriorAppropriations Bill which included provisions to extend and expand therecreation fee demonstration program. The highly controversial feedemonstration program is now authorized until September 2004 and thepervious limitation of 100 sites per agency has been removed. Inaddition, the recreation budget and Capital Improvement portions ofthe US Forest Service have been increased by a total of $40,000,000. Ihave no doubt that this money will be spent on highly visible projectsand that the USFS will do its best to mislead the public into thinkingthat these improvements were made possible by fee-demo dollars. Amongst the bad news, there is some good news!! In removing the cap on the number of recreation sites where fees canbe collected, the USFS is now free to introduce this program intoparts of the country that had yet seen these user fees. AND becausewhen fees are introduced, angry users write letters to theircongressional delegation.We can thus be assured that many morecongressmen will be hearing from their constituency on the fee issue. There is, unfortunately, more bad news. The agencies sense victory and are aggressively preparing forPresident Bush's anticipated new and improved fee program scheduled tobe introduced in the Spring of 2002. The bad news is that we almostcertainly do not have until September 2004 in which to kill thefee-demo program because a new program will be substituted forfee-demo within the next 12 months. In fact, the bad news is thatpermanent fee legislation is on a fast track and that we must becomesignificantly more active in our effort to end this program andprevent Bush's replacement program from going anywhere. The sum of the bad news is simply this --- AS THINGS STAND,opposition to fee demo will probably not reach critical proportionsuntil after recreation users fees are permanently authorized. The sum of the good news is this --- the AMERICAN PUBLICWILL NEVER ACCEPT permanent recreation user fees and willeventually overturn any such program and will restore free accessto public lands in the years to come. The amount of pain and suffering that must be experienced between nowand then will depend upon how aggressively the proponents of thesefees push their agenda and upon how actively and effectively theopponents of user fees work to thwart them. It's up to us. It's up to you. I appreciate your help. Scott ---begin quoted--- http://www.fs.fed.us/news/2001/11/01nov06-FS2002Budget.htmNews ReleaseUSDA Forest ServiceWashington, D.C.Contact: Heidi Valetkevitch, (202) 205-1134FOREST SERVICE RECEIVES $4.1 BILLION BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 2002 WASHINGTON, Nov. 6, 2001--President Bush yesterday signed the Department ofInterior and Related Agencies Appropriation Act for fiscal 2002, whichincludes the U.S. Department of Agriculture Forest Service's budget of $4.1billion. The Forest Service received increases for research and developmentas well as recreation, heritage and wilderness programs. "Restoring forest and rangeland health, making lands accessible to therecreating public and protecting lives and communities from wildfire are ourtop priorities," said Forest Service Chief Dale Bosworth. "Forest Serviceemployees will spend these dollars wisely and efficiently in maintaining andrestoring the health, diversity and productivity of America's nationalforests and grasslands." The Department of Interior and Related Agencies Appropriations Act passedCongress by votes of 380-28 in the U.S. House and 95-3 in the U.S. SenateOct. 17. While the Forest Service is now an agency under USDA, it was onceunder DOI. When the agency was moved from DOI to USDA in 1905, its fundingmechanism remained attached to DOI. The largest increase of almost $25 million went to the Forest Service'scapital improvement and maintenance program to decrease its maintenancebacklog. Monies will be used to improve the agency's infrastructure,including the construction and restoration of buildings and the maintenanceof roads. The measure also increases funding for Forest Service recreation, heritageand wilderness programs by more than $15 million; forest and range researchby more than $12 million; forest products by $11 million; and vegetation andwater management by almost $9 million. The bill fully funds the President's request for implementation of theNational Fire Plan while adding more than $50 million for rehabilitation andrestoration of burned lands, plus additional $200 million to pay forunanticipated fire suppression costs. ### ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Scott SilverWild Wilderness248 NW Wilmington Ave.Bend, OR 97701 phone: 541-385-5261e-mail: ssilver@wildwilderness.orgInternet: http://www.wildwilderness.org ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Sounds wierd, are you sure that it's not your browser. Anyone having the same problem? Nerdy tech guys?! What?

I hate doing pullups (and situps) but my favorite by far are towel pullups. Take your pullup bar or whatever and put two towels over the bar about a foot apart. Then take athletic tape and wrap the two ends of each towel together a few inches above the end, this is where you typically grip the towel. Now try and do pullups! I found these really work your muscles differently than normal pullups and helps with your grip strength. You can make the grip area different diameters and put the towels further or closer to mix it up.

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Cartoons are for sissy boys foo, you gotta watch some A-team. Don't try to get me in dat plane Hanibal! http://firefly.sparse.org/~mrt/cgi-bin/t.cgi?field=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cascadeclimbers.com%2Fubb%2Fultimatebb.php

quote: Originally posted by TIMM@Y: step out my back door to and jump on the quad I think we're on to something here!

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