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Give World Cup Ski Service in Bellevue and Pro Ski Service a call, they both usually have a good variety. Also try Marmot in Bellevue.

I'm just read this whole thing and I'm still not sure what the hell people are argueing about. Who wrote the Couloir article? Anyways I've wanted to ski that ever since Phil sent me that picture. Rumor has it that Phil and Greg sit-started the descent which makes it like two grades harder dude, so if they don't have the first descent than they have the first crazy sick sit start descent. Say that three times really fast beyotch!

quote: Originally posted by Jason Martin: In 1996 two college aged climbers were killed in the Source Lake Cirque. Jason I remember those guys from SAR training way back when, pretty darn sad.

quote: Originally posted by W: Sounds like paid ad to me. Fuck it ain't us! I wrote these guys a longshot email a few months back to see if they would send us a couple units to test out. Idea was to get a few and give them to a few of you fine folks in exchange for a review on them to see how revolutionary they really are. I'm sure Climbing will write a glowing review in exchange for lots of full page ad mula. Obvioulsy I got no response.

my personal fav

i just can't help myself

no phil it adds up to i'm leaving work right now to go throw some japan airs and look for ski bunnies.

I pulled the thread Mike. If you want to threaten people send them an email or something, don't bother posting it here becaue I'll just erase it. Are we clear?

Geez what a day, first someone calls me fat, now I'm a professional nob shiner. Man I don't know how much more of this I can take

Icegirl you don't know where that is? Ropegun2002 might have to edumacate you. That's Monkey Face at Smith Rock.

Larson you suck that is only two words! LOL. How bout this: Had Major Stock In Enron.

I just got off the phone with our hosting company, told them to look out for seal team 6 dropping out of nightstalkers and some really angry dude hot boxing in a humvee. There is a tech support girl there, I think her name is Tracy, sounds kinda cute on the phone so could you maybe spare her?

Werd. There are about 7 more pictures up and they all have captions now. More to come....

The skiing tonight was absolutely awesome, the snow was exceptionally dry. I might just go up every night this week, it is that good.

I've put about 20 new pictures up on the front page. They are missing captions because my text editor crashed. I've only got about 50 more pictures to do . If you wanna check em out without having to refresh a thousand times just start with this one and work up http://www.cascadeclimbers.com/images/home/front_69.jpg .

People may disagree with me but I think MOFA is a waste of time. I had to take MOFA for a SAR requirement, and we set up a thing through the Mounties. I haven't taken the WFR but after my experience with MOFA I wish I would have spent the time taking something else like WFR. For the time spent I didn't come out really learning anything new, and the certification at the end was a bunch of crap, supervised by people who were obviously incompetent. If you've had no prior first aid experience MOFA may be a good option, but my guess is you've had some pretty comprehensive first aid training in Ranger school and something like WFR or EMT would be time well spent.

<lunchbreak> I think it is hard for anyone to know who posts on this site, if you don’t want people to know who you are you quite capable of doing it. Maybe Christine Boskoff does (or did!? lol). Fact is there lots of talented people who post and most likely there is a lot of talented people who don’t. Whether they are a “greats” or not there are people who don’t post here regardless of their experience level for varying reasons. Is it because they don’t have a thick enough skin and are afraid of getting mobbed on? Maybe they just don’t believe in disseminating climbing info on the net. I don’t really know the answer. I’ve met a lot of really cool people because of this site. I’ve also met a bunch of people who are aware of the site but don’t post here and they let me know why they don’t. I’m hesitant to let people know who I am partly because more than often people have a hard time distinguishing the difference from the person who runs the website versus the content that people post on it. People have been pretty rude to me about this whole deal, and while I’m pretty open to criticism and don’t take it personally, you can’t help but wonder how is what’s said here any worse than how they just treated me. It would be nice to see more people post here though regardless of whether they are a newbie or a “legend”. The more people who contribute the more likely you are to get the beta on the climb you just itching to do, or someone to buy that tent you just dying to get rid of, or the partner you need because your new to the area. I can’t think of one negative thing that would come from more people posting here, legends or not. But to be honest I don’t think that will happen unless people start treating each other with a little more respect and stop posting really senseless shit. And this isn’t something will come from policing the site, it’s going to have to come from the group policing itself. People accuse me of being some cyber cop or garbage like that but to be honest I don’t read about a tenth of what is posted here because I’m to busy at work and just don’t have the time or just don’t care. You can argue day in and day out about the merits or evil of spray, but it’s not the spray that detracts the outsiders, it’s some of your attitudes. I’m going to leave it up to the group what direction this message board goes. </lunchbreak>

So how is everyones New Years Resolutions going? Mine was to eat healthier.... is the beer, bag of potato chips, block of cheese, and crackers that are sitting here as I write this count as healthy?

Is it true if you are being chased by a bear that you want to run downhill because their front legs are shorter and they tumble down?

quote: Originally posted by faust: my old partner has become competely distracted by a new girlfriend and we never get out anymore. Erik that ain't cool leavin a brutha hangin man.

quote: Originally posted by mikeadam: increasingly anal admins I will have nothing to do with the anus.

I'm in the market for a digital myself. I'm a Nikon person so it will be an 885 or the new 5000. This will be used when I don't need to shoot a whole roll of film, when I want to go light as possible, or just messing around. A five megapixel camera will give you a perfect 11x14 print without having to go to town in Photoshop (by the way PS7 beta for OS X rocks!). Of course the 5000 is very expensive, and with anything digital what is top of the line now will be bottom in a year. Digital or slide film, I will be doing all my stuff using a digital darkroom. The new consumer slide scanners are starting to rival those of drum scans. The control this technique offers you is amazing. A interesting side note. When the Bill and Monica scandle hit the streets you remember the images of him hugger her at a rally. Interesting those shots came from a film camera, because the guys shooting digital dumped their images off their media to save space not knowing how significant they would be in the future.

The Access Fund:YOUR CLIMBING FUTUREVirtual Times #14http://www.accessfund.org/January 2002 Submissions/comments for the Virtual Times are welcome via email to john@accessfund.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- IN THIS ISSUE:1. Access Fund Grant Helps Save Bouldering at Donner Summit, CA2. Castleton Tower Preservation Initiative 3. Indian Trust Litigation Prevents Public Access to DOI Websites & Networks4. BLM Asks for Voluntary Closure of Western Chalk Bluff 5. Bishop Camping Information 6. North Carolina Update 7. Bridalveil Falls, Colorado 8. In Memory of Jason Hunt 9. Help Wanted: Database Consultant --------------------------------------------------------------------------------1. Access Fund Grant Helps Save Bouldering at Donner Summit, CA --------------------------------------------------------------------------------A $5,000 grant by the Access Fund will support a land acquisition by the Truckee Donner Land Trust to preserve bouldering. This acquisition will double the size of Donner State Park and preserve access to the Saddle Park boulders near Donner Summit, one of the state's more popular summer climbing areas. The grant is one of many outcomes already realized by the Access Fund's Bouldering Campaign, which seeks to: Raise awareness about bouldering among land managers and the public; Promote care and respect for natural places visited by boulderers; Mobilize the climbing community to act responsibly & work cooperatively with land managers; Protect and rehabilitating bouldering resources; Preserve bouldering access. For more information, contact Shawn Tierney, access and acquisitions director, at shawn@accessfund.org. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------2. Castleton Tower Preservation Initiative --------------------------------------------------------------------------------The Castleton Tower Preservation Initiative (CTPI) is making substantial progress. This collaborative effort, led by Utah Open Lands (UOL) and the Castle Rock Collaboration, and supported by the Access Fund, seeks to protect the integrity of Castleton Tower and its surrounding landscape. Castleton Tower is one of the most famous and spectacular climbing landmarks in North America, and its Kor-Ingalls route is one of the Fifty Classic Climbs of North America. For over 40 years, climbers have traveled to climb and camp at Castleton Tower. The acquisition and preservation of land adjacent to Castleton will preserve access to Castleton Tower and permanently protect the historic climbers' bivy site. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------3. Indian Trust Litigation Prevents Public Access to DOI Websites & Networks --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Access to all Department of Interior (DOI) websites and email addresses has been cut-off to comply with a court order issued to secure individual Indian trust data. On Wednesday December 5, 2001, District Court Judge Royce C. Lamberth ordered the DOI to "immediately disconnect from the Internet all information technology systems that house or provide access to individual Indian trust data; and disconnect from the Internet all computers within the custody and control of the Department of the Interior, its employees and contractors, that have access to individual Indian trust data." The following agencies are within the DOI: National Park Service, Bureau of Land Management, Bureau of Reclamation, Bureau of Indian Affairs, US Geologic Survey, Minerals Management Service, Office of Surface Mining and US Fish & Wildlife. The upshot of this Order is that all Interior agencies have disconnected their computer Internet access and external network connections, therefore, the public can neither access any DOI websites, nor email any DOI employee via their government email addresses. Phones are still working, so until the Order is lifted you can phone your local DOI agency office to obtain information or assistance. You can also check out http://www.doi.gov/ to obtain other limited information. The US Forest Service, under the Department of Agriculture, is not affected by this order. The ability of DOI agencies to conduct a large portion of their daily business has been impacted. Many DOI employees have even begun using hard-copy time cards again. The agencies are working with their information technology staff to seek an acceptable way to restore operations, while ensuring compliance with the court's Order. Until further notice, continued compliance with the Order is required. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------4. BLM Asks for Voluntary Closure of Western Chalk Bluff --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Steve Addington, field manager for the Bureau of Land Management in Bishop, CA, is asking the public to honor a voluntary seasonal closure of public lands along the western part of Chalk Bluff, north of Bishop, to protect raptor habitat. This action closes climbing from the northern edge of Chalk Bluff Road to the northern boundaries of Sections 19, 20 and 21, and from the eastern edge of Section 21 (touching the uppermost tip of Happy Boulders canyon) west to the edge of the power line road above Pleasant Valley Reservoir. This voluntary closure to foot, equestrian and vehicle traffic will be in effect from January 1 to July 31, 2002. The closure applies only to BLM-managed public lands (does not include the foot trail in the middle of Section 21). There will be signs posted in the area asking visitors to respect the closure, with additional notices at information kiosks and local businesses.As a result of public input and environmental analysis, the BLM decided on a voluntary closure for the 2002 raptor-breeding season. Visitors who do not respect the voluntary closure will not be penalized, but the Access Fund urges all climbers to honor this effort, as it will preserve climbing access in the future. The completed environmental analysis document is available at the Bishop library or from the BLM office in Bishop. BLM is continuing to study the situation and will begin a public planning effort to guide long-term management of the area. The process will be completed by September 30, 2002. Climbers can obtain more information contact Doug Dodge, Joe Pollini or Joy Fatooh at the BLM's Bishop office at 760-872-4881. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------5. Bishop Camping Information --------------------------------------------------------------------------------The BLM in Bishop, CA expects that the Pleasant Valley Winter Campground may get filled with campers during the major holiday periods this winter/spring. Holidays such as Martin Luther King's weekend, Presidents' Weekend, and Easter break usually see many climbers visit the Bishop area.If you plan on climbing and camping around Bishop at these times and the BLM winter campground is full, check with Colin and Molly, campground hosts, to see if they can accommodate you. Otherwise, plan on camping at other nearby campgrounds or sites listed below: A. The Bardini Foundation House: this is a climbers' hostel located at 515 Sierra St. in Bishop. $10 per night.B. Pleasant Valley County Campground: located on Pleasant Valley Road about a 1/4 mile beyond the turnoff to the BLM winter campground. This campground charges $10 per night, is open year round and contains facilities.D. The Pinion Site: free dispersed camping location above the gorge. No facilities. E. Buttermilk Country: free dispersed camping on Inyo National Forest land. 28 day limit. Take Hwy. 168 west from Bishop to the Buttermilk Road. Turn right and look for dispersed campsites about a mile after the turnoff. F. Millpond Campground: full service, commercial campground. $12 per night for up to four people. Open March 1 to December 1. Showers. Please do not camp on the Volcanic Tableland. This sensitive desert environment is vulnerable to camping related impacts and is easily damaged by camping use. Camp at one of the areas described above. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------6. North Carolina Update --------------------------------------------------------------------------------(Report submitted by Aram Attarian, Access Fund Regional Coordinator)During the past few months, the climbers in North Carolina formed the Pisgah Commercial Climbers Association and met with National Park Service personnel of the Blue Ridge Parkway. The PCCA was created to address many issues at climbing areas utilized by camps and schools in the Pisgah National Forest of Western North Carolina. The group's mission is to "Protect the future of climbing areas in the Pisgah Ranger District by addressing issues facing commercial climbing such as group impact, minimizing the impact large groups have on climbing areas, providing trail work, and promoting safe climbing practices."Representatives of camps, schools, outfitters, guides, and the USFS met in October and agreed the group would include a wide representation of climber interests and discuss climbing issues in the Pisgah Range District of the Pisgah National Forest. Check the Southeastern Climbers Coalition website for more information at http://www.seclimbers.org. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------7. Bridalveil Falls, Colorado --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Bridalveil Falls, one of the most sought-after ice climbs in this country, will be closed at least for the 2002 winter season. Idarado Mining Company, owner of the property where the falls is located, did not renew their year-to-year recreational access easement with the Town of Telluride. The Access Fund is working with Regional Coordinator Steve Johnson and local climbers to explore all options for restoring access to this historic climb. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------8. In Memory of Jason Hunt --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Rock climber and friend of the Access Fund Jason Hunt died on October from a climbing accident in Vancouver, British Columbia. Jason distinguished himself as a climber and instructor of youth in a therapeutic wilderness challenge program. He sought to instill the ideals of accomplishment, compassion, responsibility, and friendship in all of his students. Memorial donations to the Access Fund have been made by Liza Wilson, KellieThomas, Allison Johnson, Matt Shove, Michele Palma, and Don Pelletier. Climbers can honor Jason's memory by sending donations to the Access Fund at PO Box 17010, Boulder, CO 80308. Contact Kerry Cowan at kerry@accessfund.org for more information. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------9. Wanted: Database Consultant --------------------------------------------------------------------------------The Access Fund needs a consultant to help us part-time with our Microsoft Access 2000 Database. If you are proficient with this software, or know someone who is, please contact Kerry Cowan at 303.545.6772 x106, or kerry@accessfund.org. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Virtual Times Policies:1. The Access Fund office in Boulder is the only source ofoutgoing messages to the lists.2. The AF will not sell or give away email addresses for the V-Times.3. V-Times is an announcement-only e-mail list; therefore, you cannot reply to any of the list members.4. All e-mail addresses will remain confidential with every mail sent.

Sounds like a good idea. We might have to hack the board a little to do it the way you propose based on posts but it could be done. How bout some more name ideas? Beck you'd definately be the golden "shower" child.

I've got some Lowe Alpine half bibs that I really like. They don't come much higher than my beer belly button, and they are f#%king light as hell. I like these much better than full bibs cause I don't overheat, but having something a little higher than waistline with suspenders I like better than pants.