billcoe

They need to hook up with these folks: Link

THIS is some funny shit: Funny shit here click link If course, I have teenagers so I get the reference. Others may not be so lucky.

Now THAT'S some funnnnny shit Porter:-)!

Link And theres one for sale next thread over too.

mtclimber: I've noticed that my Karrimor pack I bought 20 years ago is still in fair condition. However, shirts and pants are a commodity which I tend to burn through.

Are you sure that's what you meant to say? I would hope that most of the cost will be for materials and labour. Isn't this the business model of Cilogear? There seem to be a lot of supporters for them here. There's always a market for affordable quality gear. Everyone would love a pack that was lighter than air, would last a lifetime, could be adjusted to work in all situations and came for free. What compromises do you have in mind? It's easier to answer more directed questions. Sorry for being difficult but I TA first year physics and am easily frustrated with open questions. Howdy, I'm Graham and I own and operate CiloGear. We started out with more or less the above described model, and we have been relatively successful at it. Randy Rackliff does something similar with Cold Cold World, another well respected pack maker for climbers. There's also a whole bunch of folks making packs for hikers with a similar business model. Honestly, I would recommend rethinking your plans though carefully and honestly. AFAIK, there are less than 20,000 members of the American Alpine Club. Even the largest subscriber base for a climbing magazine in the USA is only 70,000. On the other hand, the Outdoor Industry Association does claim that something like 9.2 million folks used climbing walls, but that doesn't make them potential customers... Excluding the operations of really large companies, most of the cost of backpacks made or sold to climbers is overhead, whether it goes to the store, to the company or directly to folks like Randy and I to continue our operations. It turns out that even if there were 70,000 people who were hard core climbers and they wanted a pack, most of them want it for free or as cheap as possible. Climbers are not exactly folks who want to spend lots of money... I wish you the best. I hope you've got the money to support your business for the three to five years that it's going to take to turn a profit. But I really have to strongly caution you to consider the costs and benefits of focusing on the climbing market. _______________________________________________ Summations: you need another competitor like you need hemorrhoids.

Sounds like great cage match potential!

That was stupid

Keith, Kellie and others are trying to get this opened for climbing. Now is the time to write another letter to the commissioners. This is the flyer Keith did which we were folding Saturday for your perusal. Hmmm, can anyone link a site? My scan doesn't really do it.

Just saw this thread and your difficulties. Wow...pretty speechless except to say that hope the job turns out to be amazing and things get real good real soon for you and yours. So here's to your luck, life and loved ones:

Relatives?

I heard the owner of that property has a soft sport for climbers....

Best choice is Ozone. *Pros: Not usually too crowded, sunny and warm, Kevbone will be there. * Cons: Kevbone will be there. (I'm kidding, he's really a good addition to any group you go out there with Drew) Short routes. However, if you are in a conference thing that sucks up most of your day, the freeways turn to shit so that you'll be slamming your hand on your steering wheel and screaming at the stalled cars as the sun dips below the horizon on the way to Ozone (traffic not as bad a Seattle, but near), so Rocky Butte is better despite being primarily toproping as you can get out and still get some nice crack laps for a good burn before darkness. Broughtons can be OK. Maybe give a shout out post as it gets closer to the time, and let us know your what your time commitments are shaping up to be.

Major upscalin' is happening all around here. I got my first 70M as well just last year. For ya know it, folks will be gettin jobs and stuff.

I'd climb with ya. I give good belay too, ask anyone, I'm a belay slut. Bring your shoes and harness for sure Drew.

Agree with you there. I'm convinced that if we knew each others identities there would be a hell of a lot less anonymous pussies hiding behind their computers yelling, screaming, being mean and rude and generally acting like stupid spoiled children with no repercussions or consequences. It's one of the things that sometimes yanks my chain as well. An occasional ass-kicking would straighten out the rare jackass who then stepped out of line. I don't see this issue as an ethical question. Live life by the Golden Rule, not the Golden Shower Rule. It was fine to post a pic of some anonomys attractive girl (I never even saw it), it was asked to be and was removed. No issues or worries. I'm glad it was. We should treat others how we'd like to be treated.... Hmmmm, Ok, maybe better. Cya all Bill

I was in the Elkhorns last weekend, should have piped up Ken. Probably be doing some off trail wandering outside tomorrow if anyone is lonely....

Or at least you're not buying it twice:-0

How stupid are those people who work there? $2.83 for a cam.

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