Captain escaped- Navy Seals shot pirates

[JosephH]

It does, but if you been at sea for awhile your body does get remarkably adept at compensating for the situation. I've done some shooting off the first ship I was on and it's surprising how fast the compensation kicks in. You just don't get the luxury of resting your weapon on a railing or any other part of the ship. But 80-100 feet off the fantail shouldn't have been a problem for any competent shot.

[Mtguide]

Another added element is that the shots were taken using night vision scopes. I've never used anything like that, not sure if if makes your target easier or harder to make out. Still, pretty damn good shooting. The pirates were earlier offered a surrender and arrest deal for the release of the Captain, which they refused,(one of them did take it); they should have take them up on it. Hope this sends a strong, no-uncertain-terms message to the rest of 'em: Fuck with us if you want to die.

 

Still, I find it hard to believe the pirates were that stupid. They were out of gas, food, water, and for Christsakes, attached to a US Navy warship by a towline, little or no control over their destination/position,essentially surrounded by a ring of fire with all the time in the world, with one hostage. What part of "ya know, I think we're probably fucked here", did they not understand?

Edited April 13, 2009 by Mtguide

[denalidave]

I heard Obama wanted to offer the pirates asylum and a tax incentive to bring their business here to US waters...you know, job creation stimulus and all.

Before the heroic rescue, I was thinking we should just offer them a bunch of bank/Wall St CEOs in exchange for the captain. Afterall, they would be much more deserving of such an affair and would obviously have the money to pay their own ransoms.

 

[Bug]

That is anti-republican.

[ALLCAPS]

THOSE PIRATES GOT A FEDERAL BAILOUT. TOO BAD SOME OF THOSE FELTCHING WALLSTEET EXECS DIDN'T GET THE SAME ONE.

 

OH YEAH, AND KASK BUDDY, I'M THINK OF YOU WITH THIS ONE: FAP FAP FAP

[ivan]

Fuck with us if you want to die.

 

clearly, this always been the message to pirates, but it's lack of utility, historically, is clear - pirates don't dissappear b/c they're generally coming from a place so fucked up to start w/ that they don't care if they die

[billcoe]

I thought they were on something like this.

 

 

How do you get a clean shot?

 

 

Seals:

 

Pretty tough dudes. My neighbor down the street is a PJ (airforce parajumper (Pararescuemen?), they're the dudes do the Mt Hood rescues via helicopters around here or if you read "The Perfect Storm", they jumped out into the sea that day. Anyway, went to his house for a party once and was talking to my next door neighbor who was @ 15 years younger than me. I said, it's striking that you can so easily tell who the neighbors are and who the PJs are cause they all look like fit athletes (bunch of uber fit badass looking kids running around) He looks at me head on all offended and says to me in a loud mock unhappy voice "Hey damit!" .

 

I'd forgotten that he was an All American and on the United States Rugby team when younger as he'd gotten soft(er) than when he was an athlete.

[John Frieh]

I work out with a few PJs: they talk a lot of shit but at the end of the day they are still Air Force turds :grlaf:

[tvashtarkatena]

Wow, all this defcon-4-specops-speak is giving me an even bigger woody than I had from basking in the cyber-presence of the uber-monly John Frieh.

 

Aw, shit, my pump action just came all over my 9 mil....

Edited April 13, 2009 by tvashtarkatena

[Bug]

You sound annoyed.

Maybe you should smoke something.

[billcoe]

You sound annoyed.

Maybe you should smoke MORE OF something.

 

Fixed that for you sir!

 

BTW John, that's only cause your in such superb shape. Old marshmallows like me can't keep up with any of you:-)

[kevbone]

I doubt it was Navy SEALS. that's just a cover story. Most probably Obama sent ninjas, because everyone knows when it comes to pirates vs. ninjas it's ninjas ftw.

 

 

No no no.....Obama sent Jedi.

[prole]

I'm glad we can all agree that Obama is the BALLS!!!

[Mtguide]

Absolutely-- a pertinent comment made in an interview on the incident on NPR's The World last week, was that the most important thing that could be done to alleviate the threat of piracy would be to adress and deal with the political, social and economic conditions causing the Somali people to be so desperate and bereft of any alternatives in the first place. The commentator added that he had little hope of anyone seeing that anytime soon, if ever. The larger situation for the Somalis and the NE coast of Africa is a gigantic mess. Very few want to take the trouble to think beyond a bullet.

[Bug]

Absolutely-- a pertinent comment made in an interview on the incident on NPR's The World last week, was that the most important thing that could be done to alleviate the threat of piracy would be to adress and deal with the political, social and economic conditions causing the Somali people to be so desperate and bereft of any alternatives in the first place. The commentator added that he had little hope of anyone seeing that anytime soon, if ever. The larger situation for the Somalis and the NE coast of Africa is a gigantic mess. Very few want to take the trouble to think beyond a bullet.

Uh-oh.

I presented a perspective like that about the availability of Islamic terrorists and I was accused of saying that WE the US are terrorists. So be ready to be accused of calling the US a "Pirate nation".

Just sayin......

[Fairweather]

Lib testosterone smells just like spoiled tofu.

[No. 13 Baby]

...and chickenhawks smell like Rush Limbaugh's deferment-earning pilonidal abscess.

[Alpinfox]

..,. the most important thing that could be done to alleviate the threat of piracy would be to adress and deal with the political, social and economic conditions causing the Somali people to be so desperate and bereft of any alternatives in the first place...

 

Right. Because it's our job to fix the political, social, and economic problems of the rest of the world.

[minx]

yes don't you know we're supposed to fix everything for everyone. right after the UN has a big group hug

[KaskadskyjKozak]

Absolutely-- a pertinent comment made in an interview on the incident on NPR's The World last week, was that the most important thing that could be done to alleviate the threat of piracy would be to adress and deal with the political, social and economic conditions causing the Somali people to be so desperate and bereft of any alternatives in the first place. The commentator added that he had little hope of anyone seeing that anytime soon, if ever. The larger situation for the Somalis and the NE coast of Africa is a gigantic mess. Very few want to take the trouble to think beyond a bullet.

 

What a load of bullshit.

 

[Bug]

I got mine.

 

Screw the world!

[mattp]

What is your argument there, KK? We don't see Yemeni pirates attacking ships in the Gulf of Aden, do we? I can understand it if you say that we shouldn't spend our resources trying to help some poor people half way around the world because we need to spend those resources here at home. If that is your argument, I agree. But there may well be something to this idea that pirates can only operate from Somali bases because it is a failed state, and if you agree with that idea you have to ask if the crisis there can be remedied by political and police force alone or if economic development is essential, no? It might in fact turn out to be in our own self interest to help make Somalia a better place to live -- as much as the idea of helping a poor nation may go against your basic instinct.

[Bug]

Lib testosterone smells just like spoiled tofu.

That's the yeast infection in your vagina.

[prole]

What is your argument there, KK? We don't see Yemeni pirates attacking ships in the Gulf of Aden, do we? I can understand it if you say that we shouldn't spend our resources trying to help some poor people half way around the world because we need to spend those resources here at home. If that is your argument, I agree. But there may well be something to this idea that pirates can only operate from Somali bases because it is a failed state, and if you agree with that idea you have to ask if the crisis there can be remedied by political and police force alone or if economic development is essential, no? It might in fact turn out to be in our own self interest to help make Somalia a better place to live -- as much as the idea of helping a poor nation may go against your basic instinct.

 

"There's that fag-talk we talked about."

 

[Mtguide]

OK, figured that whole raftload of neocon bullshit was headed this way for that post; Skeezix was right. But notice that neither I nor the NPR commentator (a Belgian diplomat) I referred to, said a single word about WHO or what, should try to do something about piracy from the standpoint of alleviating the conditions that are causing it. Obama was not even mentioned.

 

No where was it said, or even implied, that the US or any US ally was supposed to be the main mover, policeman, or instigator of any effort of that kind. Nobody said or hinted that we're supposed to fix everything for everybody, nobody said the UN should do anything. No one said or hinted that the US was actually the real pirate or the real terrorist.

 

Oh, but now I get it; I DID say that it was heard on NPR, so yeah, obviously anyone who listens to THAT is automatically a libtard, automatically has one, and only one, liberal orientation to any issue. Yeah, case fuckin' closed.

 

So you tell me, smart guys; is piracy a liberal, or conservative issue? What about poverty, starvation, disease, rape, warlord brutality, slavery, drug trafficking; liberal or conservative? Just because this incident with the Maersk Alabama was a US flagged ship and crew, a directly involved US military affair, you can't see past that to the larger situation that is driving this whole piracy upswing. No one who takes even a cursory look at what's been happening in Somalia and the entire Horn of Africa since the Clinton administration can deny the facts.

 

The so-called Somali government controls about a two or three block radius around their office buildings. The rest of the country is a lawless wasteland, it's The Road Warriors and Thunderdome right here, right now, without the cool haircuts or creative metal sculpture. Hundreds of thousands are at the verge of, or well into starvation, with no public services of any kind, no water or utilities or sanitation, no medical care, no stable economy of any kind ,except what's dependent on piracy.

 

The bordering countries of Ethiopia and Kenya are impacted by the spillover of refugees,disease, economic overload, and Sudan is a long-running genocidal holocaust. It's as desperate as it gets, so people are doing whatever they can to survive, and if possible, prosper. Like John Dillinger said during the depression, when asked why he robbed banks,"because that's where the money is.", so Somali pirates see millions of dollars in commerce floating by and go out to grab it.

 

I see frequent references in this forum to "libtards". May I hasten to assure you that there are lots of 'em, all you have to do is tune in "Air America", the callers there are every bit as badly educated, myopically fanatic,rambling and inarticulate as the slapshot fuckwad knuckle-draggers on Limbaugh and Savage. No political persuasion has a monopoly on confusion and stupidity.

 

And from what I can see just on this forum, there are plenty of "conservatards" as well, whose primary characteristic seems to be an inability to read anything accurately through the moronic filter of dittohead claptrap propaganda and half-baked ignoramus theories, the hell with any clear view of reality. And JesusXrist let's not bring up any idea that something besides brute force, military,economic or otherwise, might actually be an appropriate and effective way to deal with a problem that affects everyone, everywhere, regardless of country, creed, politics or income. Yeah, hell, just get a bigger fuckin' hammer. Where the fuck's my beer, bitch?

 

You wanta see piracy? Just keep on the way we're going right now, badgering and bashing around third world countries Bush-style, using the IMF and World Bank to exploit them for oil and other resources, making them one-sided usurious"loans" to develop. Then when they can't pay, do just what's been done to us by the banks, financial firms,corporations and our own government(all the same thing)which is to lay the debt on the populace in taxes.

 

Be sure you've installed some paid-off asshole tinpot thug as president or premier to keep things in order. Then act real surprised and blame Al Qaeda, terrorists in general, communists, socialists, etc., when the whole thing turns upside down and the people take matters into their own hands. Don't forget to throw shit at "libtards', Democrats, or anyone else who has so much as a shred of fairness or compassion somewhere in their shriveled stone of a heart for not being hard-assed enough with those backward, ungrateful little black-skinned bastards in the first place and allowing it all to happen.

 

You think you're seeing piracy? You ain't seen shit yet.