RuMR Posted April 29, 2008 Posted April 29, 2008 So, let's hear the 5.13 count that you've ticked...you know, since its all moderate and shit... THis is just like your f-ing little neutrino shit on girth...it makes you sound all badass and shit without any meat behind it... Quote
RuMR Posted April 29, 2008 Author Posted April 29, 2008 Oh...and i'd like to hear about the sub v12-v10 boulder prob's that you hike since they are all like substandard and shit too... Quote
Alpinfox Posted April 29, 2008 Posted April 29, 2008 Thanks for starting a new thread for this bullshit. I like the "BEST CLIMBS ON EARTH" thread. Even if there were some bullshit statements made about what is "moderate". Bring it here. Quote
RuMR Posted April 29, 2008 Author Posted April 29, 2008 * H O N K * gee, thanks for your little nugget of wisdom... Quote
ivan Posted April 29, 2008 Posted April 29, 2008 maybe you haven't met john - like more than a few folks 'roudn here, he comes off on the board a lot different than in person - what you shouldn't misunderstand is his enthusiasm and good-naturedness- the kid really, really likes to climb and is guilty of little more than being too zealous - he also takes the training thing crazy serious (but not so much he disdains climbing w/ the smoking/ho-ho eating crowd) which i think leads to a natural desire to have #s and times n' shit, which in lihgt of the whole iconoclastic nature of the enterprise, does look a tad silly. still - i like having john on the board and he earns his keep by actually posting tr's on a pretty regular business, building community by helping organize ice-comps, etc. that said, if he badmouths beacon we might have to kill and eat him - i'm sure w/ all those burpees or whatevadafuck they're called, he'll make for good lean burgers Quote
RuMR Posted April 29, 2008 Author Posted April 29, 2008 my point is he completely sprays these little nuggets without any substantive weight behind him... it is true, as he pointed out, that 5.13 is becoming commonplace; however, his wording (and i believe it to be on purpose) leaves the reader with the impression that NOLSe is climbing at this "moderate" standard. He may, or he may not be, and that is irrelevent...He should not be coy though... Quote
John Frieh Posted April 29, 2008 Posted April 29, 2008 Oh Rudy... rough day @ work? What are you all butt hurt about? For all the shit you have given me over the years one would think you could take a joke every once in awhile... guess not! I used the 5.13 example to try and illustrate that standards have risen and therefore "what is moderate" does also... I'm not calling 5.13 moderate... but being that 5.13 is no longer cutting edge that also means that though some/all 5.10s are moderate IMO now a days 5.11+/12- could be considered "moderate" at least in some people's opinion... or as they say "your mileage may vary" Personally I rather see a thread of "climbs one enjoyed"... I think those type of threads make cc a great resource Hugs and kisses Your all time favorite punching bag NOLSe Quote
Hugh Conway Posted April 29, 2008 Posted April 29, 2008 Rumr - who's behind the bodacious climbing tatas in your avatar? Quote
layton Posted April 29, 2008 Posted April 29, 2008 I'm with John on this one! Then again my mind is tainted with all the mormon brainwashing and heck. Quote
wayne Posted April 29, 2008 Posted April 29, 2008 Why does this really matter. The guy is a hardman and thats said, cut him some slack. He is one of the adventurous guys trying to push himself. I have respect for anyone trying to do better and willing to talk about it Quote
ivan Posted April 29, 2008 Posted April 29, 2008 john's bit was useful if for no other reason that moving forward the idea of what "moderate" means - so far i like dru's idea the most - moderate should still be, in the largest sense, the median type of climb defined as such - the whole "it's all relative" thing has of course been done to death, and so of course 5.12 is moderate to tommy caldwell, but he and his type are certainly big old outliers on the bell curve, no? today's moderate aint' that different from the moderate of 30 years ago... Quote
olyclimber Posted April 29, 2008 Posted April 29, 2008 moderately moderating this talk of moderates without moderation Quote
Bug Posted April 29, 2008 Posted April 29, 2008 Rumr still hasn't finished his project yet (work sucks). Everybody take a breath. It is almost summer. Quote
Hugh Conway Posted April 29, 2008 Posted April 29, 2008 moderately moderating this talk of moderates without moderation This agression will not stand, man! Quote
KaskadskyjKozak Posted April 29, 2008 Posted April 29, 2008 i am against raising the standard of "moderate": it makes me suck even more. Quote
John Frieh Posted April 29, 2008 Posted April 29, 2008 that said, if he badmouths beacon we might have to kill and eat him - i'm sure w/ all those burpees or whatevadafuck they're called, he'll make for good lean burgers Quote
JayB Posted April 29, 2008 Posted April 29, 2008 Seems like you can pretty much exempt most non-chossy, non R/X cragging routes that don't have a line at the base on a busy day from the statistical definition of moderate. Seems like 5.11 sport, 5.10 trad, and WI4+ gets you there most of the time. I doubt that's changed all that much over the course of the past twenty years, since for most of us, leading at that level will require getting out consistently and keeping the climbing fitness at a fairly high level (for us). For me at least, the time commitment associated with pushing my top-end clean lead grades higher than where they've topped out in the past - mid 11 sport, mid ten trad, WI4, V4 - would involve committing more time and energy to climbing than I have the time or inclination to put forth, since that would mean taking too much time away from other pursuits that I enjoy just as much. Climbing is great, but there's a lot of other great stuff out there. Quote
Dane Posted April 29, 2008 Posted April 29, 2008 he [John Frieh] also takes the training thing crazy serious (but not so much he disdains climbing w/ the smoking/ho-ho eating crowd) which i think leads to a natural desire to have #s and times n' shit Oh shit! Now I see the problem, it is the ho-hos. Most everyone I know who cranks 5.13 and WI6 can crave a ho-ho now and then. Quote
Hugh Conway Posted April 29, 2008 Posted April 29, 2008 Oh shit! Now I see the problem, it is the ho-hos. Most everyone I know who cranks 5.13 and WI6 can crave a ho-ho now and then. I'm sure they crave them but how often do they get laid? Quote
Dane Posted April 29, 2008 Posted April 29, 2008 I'm sure they crave them but how often do they get laid? Shit! When has anyone on the Internet actually told the truth about how hard they climb or how often they get laid? Quote
suckbm Posted April 29, 2008 Posted April 29, 2008 laying down after a workout is a sign of mental weakness. Also if all those crossfit weenies keep puking after workouts there gonna build a bad habit and puke when they get marginally tired on their "alpine" climbs. Quote
ivan Posted April 29, 2008 Posted April 29, 2008 shit - take away all the barbells n' whatnot and that easily could be a picture of me on any average tuesday night in college... Quote
layton Posted April 29, 2008 Posted April 29, 2008 The MIGHTY WHITEY! Damn boy, try going outside and getting some sun..i need sunglasses to look at that shit Quote
RuMR Posted April 29, 2008 Author Posted April 29, 2008 fuggit...i hate my goddamn job... I'm going to stick this out for the year, and then i'm going on sabbatical...i'm not kidding... Oh, and bug, i finished that one project and just got tossed into a worse situation...FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUCK THIS>.. Quote
olyclimber Posted April 29, 2008 Posted April 29, 2008 Funniest Valedictorian Speech Ever - Watch more free videos Quote
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