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Ever hear of the dead sea scroles?? Read up. The mauscripts were not changed. I know a guy who actually studies the bible in greek and hebrew. Fricking smart guy. Yes it hard to translate some words from one language to another but the ideas are the same. To deny something becuase of translation would be eliminate some of the great writting of the world.

 

I have read the Old Testament in Ancient Hebrew and the Dead Sea Scrolls in Aramaic and Hebrew and the New Testament in Ancient Greek and Aramaic. The changes made to the Old Testament between 1200 bc and 100 AD were huge. There are no Dead Sea Scrolls with stories from the New Testament. The Bible as we know it became cononized through the Ecuminical Councils. Every council brought more changes to the New Testament. The Trinity was just one. Many of the changes made (like the Trinity) were made so that Christianity and Islam would be easy to distinguish. The Canonized version was in Latin and only the Preists had access to it. That was the significance of Martin Luther and the Gutenburg Bible and the Reformation. They gave all of us access to Jesus. We no longer needed to have a preist intercede for us.

The English version is based on the Latin version and it does not hold a candle to the intricacies of the original languages. Nor does it reflect the cultural nuances of the myriad cultural settings.

You have built a castle on sand.

 

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Uhhhh, OK. But remember this fact Dru, you only got credited with a single post for that one. It's gonna be a long haul to get to 30,000 again.

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wow, I'm impressed. I go away to prep/take some final exams in the last few days, and come back, and 40 pages later, nearly 1000 replies...everybody is still sword fighting. I'm not here to argue though, you guys sucked me in last time, and I would like to stay clear of that. Not worth arguing (man some of you are so hurtful to each other on these forums, the words you use, messed up).

 

I just came back to let you know if there's anything I can pray for, please let me know. I would like to pray for you all, see God do some awesome things in your lives. I know some of you don't believe, but that's ok. You don't have to believe to give your prayers...who knows, God may show himself real to you.

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'On the first spray of Christmas...'

 

Oh wait, they got to it first - and Jesus H. Christ, I'd hate to see their interpretation of religious symbolism in 'Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs'...

 

''Religious symbolism of The Twelve Days of Christmas (The 12 Days of Christmas)...

 

1 True Love refers to God

2 Turtle Doves refers to the Old and New Testaments

3 French Hens refers to Faith, Hope and Charity, the Theological Virtues

4 Calling Birds refers to the Four Gospels and/or the Four Evangelists

5 Golden Rings refers to the first Five Books of the Old Testament, the "Pentateuch", which gives the history of man's fall from grace.

6 Geese A-laying refers to the six days of creation

7 Swans A-swimming refers to the seven gifts of the Holy Spirit, the seven sacraments

8 Maids A-milking refers to the eight beatitudes

9 Ladies Dancing refers to the nine Fruits of the Holy Spirit

10 Lords A-leaping refers to the ten commandments

11 Pipers Piping refers to the eleven faithful apostles

12 Drummers Drumming refers to the twelve points of doctrine in the Apostle's Creed

 

Oops! Looks like they made that up too: 12 days Urban Legend link

 

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He had no further intercourse with Spirits [or dead horses], but lived upon

the Total Abstinence Principle, ever afterwards; and it was

always said of him, that he knew how to keep Christmas

well, if any man alive possessed the knowledge. May that

be truly said of us, and all of us! And so, as Tiny Tim

observed, God bless Us, Every One [even all you atheists]!

 

 

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who created god?

 

Our minds are too small to comprehend that. Our minds are just big enough to comprehend that we can't comprehend that, however.

 

It's good you've started to realize and come to terms with, what should be, your humbling limitations.

 

Now, if you could start to accept that many are not as limited...

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