carolyn Posted August 20, 2003 Posted August 20, 2003 So, this weekend I started setting up a climb that another gruop was tearing down. It was a guided group. The person guiding the group I feel is rude, unprofessional, AND unsafe. My observations are not coming from this one day, but nearly 2 yrs of close encounters with 'em on a regular basis. So, the guide is ending the day with some obviously upset customers. His rope is in the way of our set up. I leave it there for a while, then move it. Before I could say anything, he left without the rope. Gone...poof...vanish! I coiled it up and put it out of our way fully expecting him to come back and collect it. Hours later....the rope is still there. We leave and bring the rope with us. Do I keep it or not? Its a nice, new, beefy bluewater rope. Good for a number or purposes around here. My conscience says give it back. My brain says, "fuck that". Sooooo? Bad Karma to keep it? DIscuss! Quote
erik Posted August 20, 2003 Posted August 20, 2003 i'd give it back. cuz if you lost your rope you would hope someone gave it back. but i dont believe in karma, maybe the golden rule, but not karma. Quote
sk Posted August 20, 2003 Posted August 20, 2003 Give it back. You will feel better about yourself for being the "bigger man" so to speek. Quote
snoboy Posted August 20, 2003 Posted August 20, 2003 Give it back. You will feel good about it. Quote
montanapup Posted August 20, 2003 Posted August 20, 2003 give it back, bad juju. plus, since he's a moron, you dont want that karma..... Quote
Figger_Eight Posted August 20, 2003 Posted August 20, 2003 Give it back. Your integrity is worth more than a $100 rope. Quote
Dru Posted August 20, 2003 Posted August 20, 2003 PONCHO&LEFTY said: KARMA is not real "what goes around comes around" the question is not if you believe in Karma but what does Karma believe about you Quote
billcoe Posted August 20, 2003 Posted August 20, 2003 Me? I would give it back, 2 wrongs don't make a right. I would have left it, not knowing where the fella went and expecting the person to return though. Good luck with your decision. Bill Quote
EWolfe Posted August 20, 2003 Posted August 20, 2003 never climb on a rope you don't know the history of - period Quote
sk Posted August 20, 2003 Posted August 20, 2003 Dru said: PONCHO&LEFTY said: KARMA is not real "what goes around comes around" the question is not if you believe in Karma but what does Karma believe about you Spraysage strike again Quote
Cairns Posted August 20, 2003 Posted August 20, 2003 I would intend to give it back in case Karma is real. Quote
Bug Posted August 20, 2003 Posted August 20, 2003 Trade with Ade and give the rude dude the vomit soaked rope. Or ask Ade to vomit on the one you have. Quote
Attitude Posted August 20, 2003 Posted August 20, 2003 If the guide service is a company, as opposed to an individual, you could: Take the rope to the company office. Ask to speak to the company president (or have an appointment ahead of time). Return the rope to him explaining how you ended up with it. Also mention during the conversation how you, as a fellow climber, found his company to be rude, unprofessional, and unsafe. Quote
chucK Posted August 20, 2003 Posted August 20, 2003 If you don't give it back, you'll never be able to be righteous about that guy's dickheadedness again. Give it back. Unless that's inconvenient. If so, just call them and tell 'em where they can pick it up. Quote
lummox Posted August 20, 2003 Posted August 20, 2003 vomit on it. actually. who the fuck needs a rope like that unless your wanting to rig up a killer swing over the river? Quote
carolyn Posted August 20, 2003 Author Posted August 20, 2003 Bug, you have the winning response! Figger8, you are dead on. Thanks I gave the guy a call this morning. He insisted he would never 'lose' a rope. It actually took some coercing to get him to look and see if he was missing one. Didnt seem to care much that it was missing... said it was easy for him to replace and tax deductable. I will feel better when its completely off my hands;) Quote
Szyjakowski Posted August 20, 2003 Posted August 20, 2003 what a friken moron! you should definitely puke on the rope before boxing it up and returning that idiots rope! Quote
layton Posted August 20, 2003 Posted August 20, 2003 What's his name and guide co? Come on, tell us. Quote
bird Posted August 20, 2003 Posted August 20, 2003 Stealthily cut the core at the midpoint and give it back. Quote
bunglehead Posted August 20, 2003 Posted August 20, 2003 Damn, you guys are a lot nicer than me. I would have left that rope in the dirt and not even thought about calling the dolt. Quote
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