AlpineK

What's the big deal; just don't miss. Labor's cheap over there...hire an extra maid.

story We're fucked no matter what, but we're double fucked with that idiot Texan in the White House.

I don't know if this is the specific cause but the oceans are a big sink for CO2. In fact if it weren't for tectonic processes which cause limestone to be uplifted and then weather the atmosphere would have a very high concentration of O2 and it would be really cold here. There's a good book on the subject by UW Prof. Peter Ward called The End of Planet Earth (or something like that) It's not some alarmest thing he is just talking about natural processes on the planet that wii eventually lead to the earth becoming lifeless. (Don't worry we've got a while)

Elements feel pain... stop the sensless torture of O2 and Nitrogen.

Maybe ya'll are putting words in Dryads mouth...maybe she likes cider more than a smoke free environment.

If you show weakness we will turn on you like sharks in a feading frenzy.

I'm sure you could recreate it in your own mind. Just mix tunnel vision with blind hatred and use Peter Puget as a focal point.

I'm having a hard time distinguishing between #1 and #2. In the case of #1 you are going to rest while you are placing the bolt, so unless you're using the hook to rest at a bunch of other spots besides where the bolts are I don't see the difference. Even in an extreme case where you drill on lead without resting on a hook you are still going to get a rest once the drill bit digs in a 1/4" or so.

So in the picture above Eric show us some park like setting, and I assume he asks us to ponder the beer cans ect dumped in the ditch. He then trys to draw a parallel between the trash in the ditch and bolts placed at a crag. Lets look at the picture There is no aspect of this picture that has not been altered by humans. There are roads and driveways, houses and cars, and the drainage system is clearly not natural. On top of that the grass was planted and mowed by humans and that row of trees next to the street was clearly planted by humans. In the first picture in this thread you see a natural setting with 2 man made and placed bolts. In the late 70's I was in the mounties basic class and the lot of us loaded into a bus and went to Erie to practice climbing. At the time I don't recall any bolts but there were a ton of people. Basically there is a long history of big groups climbing at Erie. The classes were there before the bolts, so saying that bolts bring people is bullshit. If anything the trails that have been built and the bolts limit the human impact on the entire crag area. Like I pointed out earlier the tree in the picture is at least a few hundred years old, but if climbers trample it it may only last another 20 years and nothing will regrow in it's place.

Douglas Fir Pseudotsuga menziesii The common name comes from a Scottish botanist David Douglas and the scientific names comes from Archibald Menzies a surgeon/naturalist on Cptn. Vancouver's ship. The tree is not a true fir which you can tell from the species name Pseudo (like/fake) tsuga (spruce)

Is that at an already popular top rope area? If it is than I'd say you've gotta choose between 2 bolts on a rock face or the slow but steady decline of a pretty cool tree caused by climbers throwing their rope around the tree and trampling the root zone. I know most of you are all big tough rock climbers and don't give a shit about trees, but something like the tree in the picture takes a long time to grow and get all funky looking. One or two climbers probably wont trash the tree but a constant stream of climbers will drastically shorten the life of that tree. The environment of Mt Erie is more than just the craggs. Without cool looking bonzi type trees it would be a lot uglier.

That is funny

It might be gone for a while. The Ascentionist was sounding fed up with the battlecage in a post he made yesterday. Then again Minx could be right. They seem to hate, but what they're really feeling is luv

I think there's a really good chance that the price of gas is going to go way up no matter what anybody does. Look at China and India their economies are growing like gangbusters and thus their fuel consumption is too. Maybe their's a bunch of untapped oil in Russia but I don't know.

It's Sloan

The Lower Fraser had well below normal snowpacks as of February 1, with a Snow Water Index of only 40% of normal. This is a substantial reduction from the January 1 index value. The extremely low snowpack levels throughout the lower Fraser result, in part, from the significant melt and runoff experienced during mid-January, when an intense Pacific frontal system moved onto the south coast, producing high rainfall and elevated freezing levels. Anyway I'm sure you're right Dru because you have the more energy to post.

Yeah 30 cm of snow...that's huge dude.

Actually most forecasters got it right. Only the guys from OR fucked up.

That does sound reasonable, however the story I heard on the subject said that he was opposed to a wind farm anywhere near Cape Cod.

I never saw it in the ice forum, so I'm glad carolyn posted it here.

nice photo. No snow

Actually he's mad that you and I ganged up on him.

Was flipping through talk radio stations last night and listened to that idiot O'Reilly for a few minutes. He had (I believe) R. Kennedy Jr. on as a guest. He claimed that the US could eliminate dependence on mideast oil and reduce emissions significantly by raising gas mileage 7 or 8 m.p.g. Seems doable, and a reasonable step in the right direction to me. Unfortunately, it is being blocked by *both* parties because of special interests. I have to admit I heard a recent story about planned windmills off Cape Cod. It seems that the main opposition to the project came from people like the Kenedys who's basic fear is the plan would wreck property values. I figure that we're human and we're going to fuck something up no matter what we do, but we should try and do something that causes less impact. A lot of liberal groups want to do something about global warming, but they shoot down all the alternatives that are actually practical.

I thought I was making fun of jmace not you. Global warming is quite the spray gadfly around here. It doesn't matter what we say, but it is too bad that the GW crew doesn't take the problem seriously.

thats awesome, its this sort of thing that people who jump all over global warming forget about instead its always someones SUV blah blah blah, when someones says "I think everyone who bought a season pass should send their recipt to GW and demand a refund. " what you gonna do stop building, its little things like this that add up to make a big problem not just one thing. good points Ricardo You must have just fallen off the turnip truck. Note the at the top of my post....hello My serious oppinion is more or less what Jim just said.