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I'm tired of the discussion. We all hate the place...so don't go there, and burn your membership card if you have one.

I think we all know what kind of instrument Mike likes to play.

Yeah, it was dry at Index. Kind of like August. I can see a lot of places being closed due to fire hazard when it really is August.

Saturday: instructed at a fruit tree pruning class then drank beer Sunday: Index

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I don't have a problem with the Nickerson this time. Sped is right though in the big picture. There are other places out there. Unfortunately a lot of the places that I think have more charactor also allow smoking, which means you've gotta have the energy to fight online with the Pub Club dictator (Dave Schultz). There was a Pub Club at that Belguin place back a few weeks ago...not very many showed up.

Not that I had anything to do with it, but I would say the cause of the move relates more to you and Scott than Mr E.

They wont get to far without tax money from the west side. This will get about as far as Freedom County did.

I think the, "average person," probably wouldn't be able to contribute to American literature like Hunter Thompson did. I've read a bunch of his books and like RobBob said they are very funny. If you take a look at writers/artists through history you will find a lot of examples of people with depression or other mental problems. It may be that his lifestyle was a symptom not a cause. In any case I heard an interview with a friend of his who points out that if he had done everything he said he had he would have died in the 70s. He may have done a bunch of what he describes himself doing in his books, but there's a lot of exageration that he used as a literary device. You don't have to like him as a person, but you should respect the fact that he'll probably have a greater impact on culture than you, I, or any other average person will. Hunter T

Well I'm ready for the terrorists. I just closed off a section of my house with plasctic sheeting so I could work on drywall. Maybe I'll just leave it that way in case the terrorists decide to attack Lake City.

What's the big deal; just don't miss. Labor's cheap over there...hire an extra maid.

story We're fucked no matter what, but we're double fucked with that idiot Texan in the White House.

I don't know if this is the specific cause but the oceans are a big sink for CO2. In fact if it weren't for tectonic processes which cause limestone to be uplifted and then weather the atmosphere would have a very high concentration of O2 and it would be really cold here. There's a good book on the subject by UW Prof. Peter Ward called The End of Planet Earth (or something like that) It's not some alarmest thing he is just talking about natural processes on the planet that wii eventually lead to the earth becoming lifeless. (Don't worry we've got a while)

Elements feel pain... stop the sensless torture of O2 and Nitrogen.

Maybe ya'll are putting words in Dryads mouth...maybe she likes cider more than a smoke free environment.

If you show weakness we will turn on you like sharks in a feading frenzy.

I'm sure you could recreate it in your own mind. Just mix tunnel vision with blind hatred and use Peter Puget as a focal point.

I'm having a hard time distinguishing between #1 and #2. In the case of #1 you are going to rest while you are placing the bolt, so unless you're using the hook to rest at a bunch of other spots besides where the bolts are I don't see the difference. Even in an extreme case where you drill on lead without resting on a hook you are still going to get a rest once the drill bit digs in a 1/4" or so.

So in the picture above Eric show us some park like setting, and I assume he asks us to ponder the beer cans ect dumped in the ditch. He then trys to draw a parallel between the trash in the ditch and bolts placed at a crag. Lets look at the picture There is no aspect of this picture that has not been altered by humans. There are roads and driveways, houses and cars, and the drainage system is clearly not natural. On top of that the grass was planted and mowed by humans and that row of trees next to the street was clearly planted by humans. In the first picture in this thread you see a natural setting with 2 man made and placed bolts. In the late 70's I was in the mounties basic class and the lot of us loaded into a bus and went to Erie to practice climbing. At the time I don't recall any bolts but there were a ton of people. Basically there is a long history of big groups climbing at Erie. The classes were there before the bolts, so saying that bolts bring people is bullshit. If anything the trails that have been built and the bolts limit the human impact on the entire crag area. Like I pointed out earlier the tree in the picture is at least a few hundred years old, but if climbers trample it it may only last another 20 years and nothing will regrow in it's place.

Douglas Fir Pseudotsuga menziesii The common name comes from a Scottish botanist David Douglas and the scientific names comes from Archibald Menzies a surgeon/naturalist on Cptn. Vancouver's ship. The tree is not a true fir which you can tell from the species name Pseudo (like/fake) tsuga (spruce)

Is that at an already popular top rope area? If it is than I'd say you've gotta choose between 2 bolts on a rock face or the slow but steady decline of a pretty cool tree caused by climbers throwing their rope around the tree and trampling the root zone. I know most of you are all big tough rock climbers and don't give a shit about trees, but something like the tree in the picture takes a long time to grow and get all funky looking. One or two climbers probably wont trash the tree but a constant stream of climbers will drastically shorten the life of that tree. The environment of Mt Erie is more than just the craggs. Without cool looking bonzi type trees it would be a lot uglier.

That is funny

It might be gone for a while. The Ascentionist was sounding fed up with the battlecage in a post he made yesterday. Then again Minx could be right. They seem to hate, but what they're really feeling is luv

I think there's a really good chance that the price of gas is going to go way up no matter what anybody does. Look at China and India their economies are growing like gangbusters and thus their fuel consumption is too. Maybe their's a bunch of untapped oil in Russia but I don't know.