Alex

yes, Kiddie Cliff is near that spot, on the S side of the valley up the slope about 200 ft of elevation gain. Its up in the trees climbers left; you can't see it from the valley bottom where you guys were. The normal winter trail traverse the big boulder field there, and passes Kiddie Cliff as it skirts a small cliff band to get into the upper basin where source lake is. What you guys were climbing doesnt have a name or anything, its just the Source Lake outlet, basically

Ah its the falls in the very bottom of the drainage right? about 2/3 of the way to source lake?

Freeman, no worries, nothing personal Mark and you are right that what I labelled Scotch is in fact Clockwork. I often get them mixed up driving up there. (Scotch is down the road about a mile or two, and was not really forming, sorry for the confusion!) However, that really is Zenith. Mark, take another look at the pic! I agree, avoid Punchbowl when its warm and there is ice above it!!

Fugs Falls http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=11&amp...amp;layer=DRG25

Fugs Falls... http://www.cascadeclimbers.com/plab/showphoto.php?photo=8962&sort=1&cat=500&page=1

Here are some pics Kevin nearing the top on Champagne. http://www.cascadeclimbers.com/plab/showphoto.php?photo=8964&size=big&sort=1&cat=500 Children of the Sun. http://www.cascadeclimbers.com/plab/showphoto.php?photo=8963&sort=1&cat=500&page=1 Clockwork Orange (edit). http://www.cascadeclimbers.com/plab/showphoto.php?photo=8965&sort=1&size=big&cat=500 Fugs Falls. http://www.cascadeclimbers.com/plab/showphoto.php?photo=8962&sort=1&cat=500&page=1 snodger just uploaded some pics too, here is Zenith http://www.cascadeclimbers.com/plab/show...=503&page=1 for more, check out Gallery.

Vantage: * Frenchman Falls - (th)in but there * Fugs Falls - In. Really good actually. The first pitch is WI3, the second pitch has a very difficult WI3+/mixed pitch up the center, or WI5+ R pitch up a stellar pillar on the right. Pins, Camalot for pillar. * Running Gear Death - in, go do Fugs instead. Soap Lake - * All the (unnamed) Soap Lake climbs on the shores of the lake look pretty good actually. * Bavarian Dark et al not very in, but trying. * Guiness/Kickapoo - not. Blue and Park - * Champagne - really good, difficult 5+. The first step was TR'ed Saturday? but we did the entire thing. Upper pitch isnt really there this year, might want to wait for that to fatten up. * Clockwork Orange (edit) - upper pillar in, bottom not touching. * Scotch on the Rocks (edit) - just a very thin icicle seeping out from rock, nothing there to speak of... * Children of the Sun - anemic, stellar though in WI6/mixed shape if you do the upper half, really fuckin hard. WeTRed. It was fridgid and brittle. First bit was led by some Spokane dudes Sunday am, way to get on it! We lost a crampon here, if you find pls PM. Banks Lake - not enough water this year! * Absent Minded Prof is absent. * Cable still doesnt touch, TR'ed all weekend though. * H202 - anemic * Agent Orange, thin on bottom, upper pillar in same shape as FA conditions. * Salt and Pepper - completely missing this year! * some other really hard unnamed stuff in, though, looks awesome! * Zenith, not touching, but prob leadable with some real balls * Devils PBowl in, with enormouse deathcicles. Trotskys looks really good. * Emerald - dont know, but doubt it. it was sooo cold this weekend I dont think these climbs grew much.

here's hoping both climbers recover!

This is the west face of Sloan in Summer If you havent been there up close and personal, you're in for some intimidation.

those few ice screws you got...were brand new? usually it takes years for modern screws to loose their polish and start rusting even a little bit what brand? rusted screws are much more difficult to place in general

just imagine no beer, no coffee, no ....Internet!!

the last time i tried to go in (last winter), the road was washed out in the valley bottom

+6 hours drive time round trip for many routes makes a difference for day trips, but not for weekend trips. Since many weekends end up being long day trips no matter where you live, if you are set on climbing in WA, then yes you will do more climbs if you live here. But better climbs? no. Longer climbs? No. (Consider that many people who do weekend trips in the summer routinely drive up Friday night. Then it matters less where you drive from.) Living in PDX, I suggest you climb one Summer in Washington and make up your mind whether axing the additional drive time is worth your move.

Blake, great pic of the semi-frozen Rainbow. Yes, its been climbed but what a rare tick!

how close is white pass to portland?

just my opinion, but selling used ropes is not cool.

any way you cut it, walking from the big hill to THOS with packs etc sucks ass. the only redeeming thing is that its a flat walk.

i think you could, the rock is certainly solid enough, however horsetail is a very popular tourist spot so i think putting any type of permanent anchor where it might be visible from below would probably be not worth it we just used a 60m rope and went straight off the trees with no problem the drytooling up the left and right was really fantastic

a testament to how strong grivel picks are, maybe id rather it snapped off, personally

we did strobach saturday, 8am from milk creek to 6pm back. not recommended anyone go in there right now w/o sled, the routes are just not worth that much work right now. travel from 609 road to routes is very very slow and tedious. if the cold weather continues, though, this might be one of the better years up there horsetail Sunday am, we did a bunch of drytooling to the left and right of the falls, good workout. we didnt climb clear creek this weekend, just scoped it out Sunday afternoon for the future.

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went into strobach on saturday. deep powdery snow over no base. made for great sledding but miserable snowshoeing. climbs are "(th)in" with only Sad Cebu, Sudden Change, Ice Dreams, and First on the Left in climbable shape by mortals. full day even with the sled. it was warmer than expected. horsetail falls is (th)in, TRable and soloable. clear creek falls is in.

lol