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I would agree there are "a couple" good ones among a sea of choss. Coming from the plethora of solid Darrington granite, I may be a bit biased.

Nice! Have fun Curt!

My thoughts exactly Rob.

Cool TR! Thanks Hans!

Dawg......who gets to justify these rare placements? I have established about 15 climbs in my time (all have at least one bolt) and "justified" each one. Of course I learned a valuable lesson in the process. You cannot please everyone. I disagree with you but have much respect for your opinion. Cheers.....

Dawg I have read the piece from the Chouinard catalog.......many years ago. I am familiar with clean climbing practices and it is my personal preference. You told me to climb in one of the solid areas in Washington with protectable cracks...........I am still waiting for direction.......where? I have not resorted to name calling and pointing out ski lifts or what not. Please show me the same respect by not lumping me in to that category. So you are not anti bolt, so what is the approved standard in your opinion? One bolt per route? Two? Belay stations only? Again I see your only addressing the aesthetic blight of bolts. How can you get so ramped up on a sliver of the overall picture? You're an intelligent man, perhaps you could use your fervor to actually work toward change on accesses issues, waste management, or education of the the younger generation. It would have to be more satisfying than ranting on CC.com. more conducive to change as well.

But Dawg, you have yet to point me to a Dawg approved zone. So is waste that is unseen, less of a priority in your agenda? Are you truly concerned with the environment or just the aesthetics?

ALOR - Erie is as Quarry says your best bet. I would even be willing to lend you a guide or give you a tour of the area. Send a pm if you want to take me up on the offer.

So does that mean there is a Dawg sanctioned area in Washington? I am pretty sure all of the established areas have some bolts. I respect what your saying Dawg but I feel your logic is somewhat flawed.

Nice to hear Matt. Thank you and the WCC for all the effort.

On that note Shao - we should just forego any machined or engineered gear and use hemp rope on stone chocks......... That is the ONLY true way.

"Vantage? Find some protectable cracks and top-rope the other stuff" Ha Ha Ha Ha! In an effort to do just that, I climbed over on the Fugs Wall side. Trapeze wall in particular. Once over there and climbing in Trad form as to live the proper way, I discovered why no one goes over and uses "protectable" cracks or "top ropes" (from what???). It is because the place is a freaking mess of unstable and pure scary choss. I made my way up four Trad climbs on that side, with holds coming off under my feet and absolutely minimal reliable pro. So yeah go ahead, forget the bolts just go ahead and climb your protectable cracks until the rock blows and then have your buddies scrape your guts off the talus.

Go when there is snow covering the brush and is not too bad.

posted so that Whatslide knows to laugh.

Glad to see you've come to your senses and stopped trying to think for yourself there Whatslide.........

Totally agree with Jon H on this one. Too much detail in gear identification.

LINKY Fixed it for ya.

I'll second that! Way to go boys!

Nothing in the news, that I have found.

I think it is similar to only being able to say the N word if you are black. So you should be clear rob.

Man, thanks and yes I was hoping someone would ask.

Try This instead.......... [video:youtube]

Wow Ed you really know your Honnold. Are you channeling the lad perchance?

.....edited for the protection of the innocent.......... And so my friends don't kick my ass..........