MarkMcJizzy

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I do not believe that you understand your own data 1) All fuel gases are fossil fuels 2) All propane is derived from an oil source either at: a: A refinery from crude oil b: From "wet" natural gas. Wet natural gas is natural gas associated with a crude oil deposit 3) To say that 90% of US LP gas is domestically produced is misleading. Your numbers mean that the propane is produced in the US, at a US refinery. 50% of the oil refined at American refineries is imported, so it follows that the final source of the resultant propane is foreign. 4) As a motor vehicle fuel, gasoline is presently much more practical due to its higher density 5) Also, due to its much higher density, propane is a much more practical motor vehicle fuel than natural gas. 6) To believe that the use of LP or CNG as a fuel for motor vehicle is either "green", or on the path to energy independence is ludicrous. Even natural gas imports to the US are increasing, by the large LNG tankers sailing from the Mid-east. And both are fossil fuels which emit green house gasses

LP gas is a product of oil refining. The LP gas you use is as likely to come from Venezuela, Saudi Arabia or Alaska, as the gallon of gas you use. It also come from Natural Gas and and is the frist gas and easiest to remove from Crude Oil,and Natural Gas,and Natural Gas can be use to run cars in the form of CNG but at a higher pressure some thing like 3,200psi and both can replace refined oil ie Gasoline,Diesel,and Coal in the near future will be reduced with the influx of Solar,Wind,and Ocean wave energy systems,and i'm shure the Coal Industry will raise the bar to the next level. We are not done with Oil but are finding way to reduce the import from 70% down to 25% or less in the next 10 years,are cars don't have to be smaller but lighter,in 1960 the average car had 20 lbs. of Aluminium,in 2008 it was close to 400 lbs per-car,new ways to make lighter,stronger sheets of Aluminium could replace most of the Steel,by blowing in small air bubbles or closed air cells like Foam Insulation is on the fast track and cheaper to make. Back in 1978 the frist digital watch hit the stores at over $200,4 years later i paid $35 with all the bells,in 90 my hard drive was 40MB and with Stacker bumped it to 76MB so we joked about never needing that much,now Ipods can have 200GB cards,so who's to say where we will be with energy in 10 years,i'm still waiting for the flying car we were to have by 2000,or my MT.Climbing Jet Boots,but will be happy will cleaner energy and less imports,GO GREEN and BUY USA!!!! This is all well and good, and hodge-podge of messy thinking. The fact remains that you were originally speaking of LP gas, which is primarily propane and butane. Both these are largely derived from the refining of crude oil. Lesser amounts can be removed from natural gas. But to think that by using LP gas, one is reducing dependence on imported energy, is wrong.

LP gas is a product of oil refining. The LP gas you use is as likely to come from Venezuela, Saudi Arabia or Alaska, as the gallon of gas you use.

Ultradonkey=Clotheshorse ?

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Actually not a Sumner. The ice axe shown is a MSR Eagle. I own and still use the Sumner I purchased in 1977. The Sumner has a large pick like the T-Bird, but is much more drooped.

Please use english when asking questions on this board, and not Eugenbonics. Being from South Park Colorado, I know you have had the bar set pretty damn low, but now it's time to man up, and at least try to pretend you're not a moron

Kevin is a fine person, and I have enjoyed speaking to him on a number of occasions. Here is to a speedy recovery

He's a family man too.

With apologizes to my friend Dawg, it most probably wasn't climbers of any generation. The area has a bunch of dirtbag meth heads living in the weeds. They know that a rack is worth about a grand, and Craigslist and E-Bay make fencing hot shit a DIY project. Too many other possibilities to point fingers at other climbers.

These bolts are no big deal. Save your panties

They'd have locked you up if they wanted to do that. Good point

The Aurora Bridge has lanes narrower than commonly allowed, and has been the scene of several deadly accidents. I have also seen cars traveling in excess of 60 MPH on that road. Is this really a speed trap, or are they trying to keep the general public safe from dangerous assholes?

Personnel trainers at places like Gold's, 24 hours, LA Fitness, etc etc, are normally flaky and in the start of their careers. Personal Training is a huge refuge for ill-educated people

That's a load of crap. Abstinence does have a 100% track record if used PROPERLY. Just as condoms or BCP are 95%+ effective if used diligently, like 80% if not. If you want higher than 95%, you can do condom plus BCP. But sex is so tantalizing that people who swear to abstinence can't stick to it -- they break it -- they are not using it properly. So regardless of it being 100% effective if used properly, it's probably only 80% effective overall, because people break their abstinence. In general, condoms and BCP fail from user error. Waiting too long to put it on, reuse, improper sizing/comes off, forgetting, lack of judgment from drugs/alcohol, past expired date, skipping a pill... It's quite rare for condoms/BCP to fail from manufacturer error, though to my understanding, CCH doesn't make condoms. And being Gary Yvnge is 100% effective as birth control, unless you're a goat. And there again you're probably OK, because Gary likes boy goats.

Stupid stuff Bristol Palin has done: 1) Gotten pregnant - Reason: sex is fun Stupid stuff Gary Yngve has done: 1) Bivied 30' off the ground due to stupidity 2) Got lost walking to Kurt's house - Reason: "the road makes a jog" 3) Very bad dresser 4) Whined all over CC about his Grad School advisor

While I think your choice to bivy 12' off the ground was a stupid one, we agree on this. But people make choices. Sara Palin made hers, and you made a descision to stick your head up your ass, and bivy 12' off the ground. Good thing that a troop of Girl Scouts happened by, and rescued you.

Furthermore, I fault Govenor Palin for accepting the nomination with her family in such a delicate condition. Govenor Palin knew fully that her (Govenor Palin's) position was to be the far right lightning rod. With her young and un-married daughter pregnant, it should have been obvious that her daughter could easily become a campaign issue. It is sad and wrong, but is very likely, as this whole thread proves. I think it hilarious when you bivy 30' off the ground on a 5.6 at Smith Rock because you're a moron.

Make that 10 on 2. And the second guy is one of the un-sung heavy hitters of spray. I think your attitude is flippant and selfish. This isn't the hypothetical we're talking about, these are real people. Anytime a minor becomes pregnant, those involved have their lives changed forever. To use Bristol Palin as a pawn in national politics is shameful. And for you to flog her from your soapbox is also shameful You are sadly, absolutely correct. But two wrongs do not make a right For the record, I do not support the politics of either Senator McCain or Governor Palin

1) The point about the crawl space being used as a return plenum is a valid one, although very improbable. You shpould be able to identify and locate your return ducts. 2) Radon is normally associated where the basement rocks are (broadly) acidic granites in character. The Puget lowlands are extensively worked glacio fluvial sediments, and clay. These generally have not been associated with a lot of radon.

Dear Super Sleuth, Here in the Big City, we have a thing called "the phone book". We also have computers. Whitepage.com works just like a phone book. I spent twenty seconds, and had Pete's phone number. There are two Pete Doorish's in Seattle, but I assume that the one you wish to speak to has a 524 prefix. Pretty novel sleuthing process? No?

No way, not anytime soon. Look at the map, all the little black dots on the brown land are houses, right? How many golf coarses are built without housing included? Very few. How is the sewage going to be treated? Where is the source for domestic water? How will they purchase water rights for the links? And I'm sure that financing will be no problem. Who wouldn't want to have an expensive vacation home on a wind and sunblasted no mans land. I tried googling, but had no luck. I'll wait with baited breath

So, I will re-iterate. There is a lot of specious bullshit and suppositional crap in the OP

This is a bullshit thing to say Pat, on a lilly white middle class puke board like this