Choada_Boy

It took you 11 hours to climb 7 pitches. You dropped gear. You are proud of the fact that you didn't pull gear on a 5.7 handcrack in a face covered with huge chicken heads. People behind you had to "join forces" to get off of the face becuase you were so slow. You find it unreasonable for someone to show up at the base of the climb that should take 2-3 hours at 9:30 a.m. without a headlamp. You climbed so slow that it made people hate you and want to beat you up. Yes. You are clearly an experienced climber.

"Speed is Safety." Should new climbers be encouraged to go as slow as they want? Does this not needlessly endanger those behind them? Because you "got there first", does that give you the right to "hog" a finite resource while delaying, and thereby endangering, other climbers? People have died on that wall, perhaps because the sport contains some element of danger. The less time you spend doing dangerous things, the less likely you are to get hurt. People that do not climb do not die climbing. If you make a person spend an extra 7 hours doing something dangerous against there will because you are inexperienced, underskilled, underprepared, or "enjoying the views", that person would have a right to be pissed. Having said that, slower parties should have no right to be pissed because they should have either: 1) Asked to pass. 2) Passed safely without permission. (Just pass them.) 3) Bailed. 4) Kept their mouth shut. 5) Not climbed Outer Space on a Saturday. If you didn't do one of the five, perhaps it's you who lack experience.

Be sure to write the date on your helmet so that your partners can tell what month and year it is at a glance. Otherwise, it just isn't safe.

Isn't "great view of Darrington" an oxymoron?

Dont' forget the floor and ceiling.

I face my biners the same way so that they can stare each other down, then I discard the loser. I only want the best gear on my rack.

Daler: How'd that approach work for you? More or less time/complexity than the "traverse from high camp" approach? I'm assuming you dropped all the way below Mirkwood in the woods, to the toes of the glacier, then up.

Not a single article about mixed climbing in Vail??? What gives?? Great job guys, way to carry the torch!!!

What if I own both a Subaru wagon and a Toyota pickup with a canopy?

Perhaps we can remain Bear "Shart Peak" as in "Fred must have shart his pants when he climbed Bear."

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"T-SHIRTS! GET YOUR T-SHIRTS!!!! "

Could someone please moderate all of this spray? The thread has lost the spirit of the original TR, man struggling against nature in an epic battle, yadda yadda...

...and then once, like, i went to an REI store, and like, got all ferocious-looking-like and scared the employees into giving me another helmet...it was RAD geer notes: one helmet, freshly sat upon two beerz, for liquid courage one puny employee keyboard for chestbeat spray fest tr Approach notes: -go up the stairs to the customer service dep't -locate most-frightened looking employee -start hyperventilation and foaming at the mouth to more closely approximate a rabid tool -quickly locate nearest cybercafe to spray while the adrenaline is flowin' 1) My local REI has only ONE floor. 2) I got my money back. 3) You remember my TR about going to a store. AWESOME!!

Why post a TR at all? It's just a waste of 1's and 0's, unless it's an FA, FWA, FS, FFS, FWS, or a second ascent (to confirm the rating). Should I post a TR every time I do a climb that's already been done a hundred times? LAME... "We climbed [insert name of trade route HERE] and I'd like the whole world to read about my experience." Save it for your diary.

This thread only strengthens the resolve of our enemies.

The only B6 I get is in my diet, so I don't think it's that...

So...I've amped up my training lately, and on a nightly basis I wake up with parts of, or the entirety of, either or both hands "asleep". This is pretty much "normal" for me, but as I've started training harder, the intensity of the numbness seems to be increasing. Bear in mind that this is only at night, during the day there seems to be no problems, although ocassionally the left hand can feel a slight touch "tingly" during the day. Any thoughts?

Looks in. Have fun!

I do feel that these fine Gentlemen deserve an exclamation of approbation. Huzzah!! Huzzah!!

Looks like Darin's fallen off of the wagon. Hard. Huzzah!!

As far as I know, there are new owners of the area and they are not letting any Joe Shmoes in for any reason. The gate is locked from near Highway 20 if you go in from the South. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but my buddy from Fish and Wildlife tells me that that's the case.

NOWAY! Where is one to go now for 8lb potato burritos and 29oz margaritas? There is no God...

Perhaps velcro chaps are more in order.

There's nothing to see here. Move along.