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"The water table seepage patterns at this place are radically different from year to year at Banks" most likely due to ununiform fracture patterns in the subsurface basalt with smears of glacial spew and fluvial outwash mantling the rock.

I always thought MaxD originally rated the pitch 12- And Druspot is correct disVantage is a fun, evolving pile...not sure about the every 5min comment tho. Anyrate, this reminds me of when strip minors was first climbed wayback when... Cap and I spent a few hours kicking the cliff prior to attempting to hold on for bolt placement, etc. It was about then we realized how stooopid and gai this activity was but since we started the little put down proj, we finished it. I remember it being a tricky 10a or b; the climb to the right (done by jim y et al.) was actually also sent that afternoon as well (prior to jim's party the following week). We called it paranoid cuz jim drove off yelling out his window, while clutcn hangers from the top anchor, "Yah better not not climb my rooooot...." we just laughed, tied the dogs to the dog bolt and then rapeled off the tat and ancient bolt hangers (from out bolt kit)down jims route. I bet jim saw our tat the next weekend, replaced it with the original hangers and then modified the route a bit prior to his First Ascent. Whatever really the point is the Frenchmens Coulee is a pile. Even the best walls change a bit... afterall cliffs all exfoliate/mass waste to some degree.

This is funny!~ Were the routes closed before? Anyrate, perhaps they are legit, well traveled climbing people. But I bet prior to their attitude on RRs being lame, they enjoyed climbing in the canyons, even the gallery.... WAIT... actually, they are right, it is lame, boring, unscenic and definitely not worth visiting. Lance: the drive to Leavenworth is about 2.5hrs give or take 10-20min.

Not sure on my absolute favorite new album, but I did really dig BTS's new set: Built to spill- you in reverse Started listening to Fiasco this year and they rock for sure; Local Seattle Band

what you think D has no brains and would leave a loaded weapon behind him as he climbs on his new wall?? gaurding the holds and his psych! Yup good for D (cattalk)!

the old version of penguin ball was waaaay better... blood and distance = fun fun. anyone know where it is located?

jens, do you believe everything you hear/read? what limestone route could be better than hanging on skinfriendly sandstone jugs that are pink/orange while looking up at brown/chocolate tinted rock and standing on light brown/white hues. Fukin Neopolitan man. Not to forget about the holds/crossbedded texture, and flora views...boring indeed. GO climb some limestone and send me some pics as I wouldn't mind checkin out a few other places in good ole vegas....

Training on gaurd detail...typical behavior.

no i was directing this to kevbone. and no I have not climbed it...

so you saw people climb the route sans gear and bolt but flash it?

does removing the crack bolt compromise the safety of you the leader? will you hit the ground if you do not place the crux piece? gear cruxes: I would imagine that placing the gear ground up on Citypark was part of the crux for mike. placing the gear on red m n m's (vantage) is the crux for me; having TRd the pitch clean countless times but no gumption to lead it cuz the gear seems tough, so I continue to be happy TRing.

kinda like orbit, why replace such bolts. there is gear nearby. oh yeah, cuz they look scary and climbing should be SAFE for the masses cuz they may sue me cuz i thought about replacing them and have the means to but I didn't cuz I am a selfish climber who only climbs to waste time and go crazy places outside in nature, which is dangerous cuz there are mt creatures that may attempt to catch me. Whew... bolted cracks today...are lame. I know I have a couple stray bolts in precarious places that have near gear placements... but with all do respect, failing there w/o the bolts nearly killed/hurt me so I chose to put the bolt in...mistake...? ...probably. definitely lame. My thought was its one fN bolt near a crack. (which is on some little rock in a place that rarely gets traffic and I can see license plates in the snow creek pking lot from the stoop.)... If it really bothers you then go remove the bolts next to the crack in the pics. I think they are lame bolts but have no time nor great need for hangers. Fuk i am rambling and can't wait for my new snow tires to arrive here in Leav so I can go out and back to the w-side.

bwhahaha. oh you could never sell lucy and baja. mrs granite would...cry...and... besides, like I said down there on my visit; Good place to visit, don't want to live here.

fuk. I miss redrocks and vegas.

with the temps and amt of precip we have gotten I would say why bother? I might drive out that way tomorrow for a xcski...maybe.

kinda like how some parties freed excalibur? that should be fun. I would try this method with ya sometime...

i remember there being a log around the first bolt of gomd. Still there? Clipping bolts never really seems that easy, especially inmidst continued strenuous moves.

when tj was first bolted, were there cams this big? and for gmd, i heard the giant flake/crack was bolted due to absurdity of carrying a rack of large bongs, cams...hmmmm. good climbs none-the-less.

Kevbone- Oh, it would be longer... I'll bet you a two year supply of hangers there is no way you could handrill a 1/2" by 4" hole in solid Eastern Washington basalt in under, let's say 30 minutes. i will take this bet, too...kevbone I would like to see you drill these holes with hand drill. I agree with slap on the 3" max as good. And for good measure if you got, squirt some glue in the hole.

snowing here in ltown now. Guess the time has already come to bury all the uninspiring ice of the icicle.

kinda covered with snow and ice. better to go to hueco

Nice! Never seen one myself...but I have stumbled upon a few dens and remnant signs...like chewed on bones and kitty fur. Spotted afew bobcats and encountered many black bears. My buddy spied a few cat like creatures joggn across the ramp/ledge middle portion of Icicle buttress the other day. He said they ran with little worry about the mini roofs and overlaps despite the 250ish drop to the road.

Is that Kohler?

The best year I remember out in the scablands was around 1996 or so. This was due to the amount of snow on the ground and constant cold. It acually looked like the Icefields pkway when driving in areas such as the palisades or moses coulee...formations everywhere. Some were very impressive. Not sure on the complexities of groundwater contributions. As for farmers feeding the ice formations... this seems most unlikely due to lack of watering needs in the winter. But then groundwater does not move that fast in the basaltic underburden. So perhaps the watering during the summer does reflect itself during the winter when the water finally leaks it way out on cliffsides and drainages. The most improtant contribution is the snowpack, current COLD and consistant weather. Whatever the case, I am sure DHarry will have the more correct answer after he looks into it...

HUrryy up man...scrolling sucks! I hate scrolling sooo much tiMm@y!!!