TrogdortheBurninator

The guy on here who makes packs is Graham from Cilogear. They really are nice packs. I think the belts should still be removeable. WHere did you see that they weren't?

There are definitely private property signs in the immediate vicinity of the new trail. As long as this thread is still around, the trail starts just right of the ~5 mail boxes at the pullout. Flagging starts maybe 15 ft off the rd. You do not ever need to walk up the driveways.... At least this way people dont have to tramp around the developed property to find the crag. If the gods that prevent threads like this from existing on cc.com deem necessary, feel free to delete this info.

Playground point has some easy sport routes. You could also TR roadside trad routes at places like 8 mile rock and Alphabet Rock. Alphabet has some nice crack climbs from 5.8 up, as well as one fun 10- sport climb (Hindquaters, hard for grade IMO). Condorphamine is a really fun climb, approach is longish, but worth it. The climb goes pretty quick as it is only about 3.5 pitches long.

I think the spanish meeting place could be Piaza, but I'm not certain.

No Kevbone, you have never been the best.

I was about to write the same thing. If "YOUR" organization is run anything like your online persona suggests, you can pretty much count out any contributions from the likes of me in the near future. I'd imagine the majority of other readers who take the time to read your drivel would feel similar. If I were you I'd delete all of these posts and hope that not too many readers have seen them.

Place gear wherever you need to to make yourself comfortable, with a minimum spacing that will keep you from decking.

THat looks like the most fun bouldering area i've ever seen!!

I don't think WC is capable of posting a reply without an emoticon.

I agree, gym climbs tend to be heavy on endurance, light on rests. Hence very sustained. Real climbs tend to have big rests. I'd imagine route setters/graders play a big part too.

There are some sweet deals in there. $100 reactors, $50 Vasaks, $4 DMM nuts

Condolences on the loss of your friend. I'm sure she would have been proud of the fine line you put up.

Some of the hosting sites are a bit tricky to work with. With picasaweb i have to use their blogging/embedding link to find the proper source jpeg, then link here to that. Otherwise, the link just shows up as dead because it is in some sort of magic google language. Post one of the jpeg links and maybe someone can figure ti out.

Dru is talking out of his ass! I have an Exped Downmat, and it is awesome. I will never sleep on a thermarest again. I will use a ridge rest for light adventures and when sleeping on dry ground, but will almost exclusively use my downmat on snow (except maybe when carrying over or bivying on a technical route). The downmats are so much more comfortable than thermarests (I have had 4 or 5 thermarests up to prolite 4 to compare), it is unreal. You can sleep on your back, side, or stomach and be totally comfortable. Plus it feels like it adds 10 degrees to your bag. The Downmat 7 only weighs 4 oz more than a thermarest prolite 4(that is with stuff sack which makes a sweet pillow). Pumping them up sounds like a pain, but realistically takes less than 5 minutes. Apparently this guy likes them too http://www.lyon.co.uk/outdoors/showitem.asp?Id=474

Awesome work!!

Certainly a different type of adventure (i.e. the type of adventure I'd associate with alpine climbing). Obviously modern alpinism is more of a hybrid.

I dont disagree at all that easly ascents of El Cap were some of the most extreme climbs of their time.

What about routes like the E Face of Cutthroat, it sure looks alpine to me. Or how about the pictures of Burgundy in winter (or any routes in winter for that matter). Is this region really reduced to "just" rock climbing at the onset of summer.

Interesting, because I would disagree with your assesment. El Cap FAists had the luxury of extensive route observation. To me, adventure lies in the unknown. While Dream On was almost certainly more adrenaline pumping climbing, I would reckon (with no knowledge of the route) that it was almost exactly what the FAist envisioned when they saw the line. FAists at washington pass were by and large exploring an unknown canvas.

I consider most routes that reach a notable summit to be alpine routes. I think of most WA Pass routes as alpine rock routes. This to me contrasts with routes of a broader alpine nature involving an ice axe on the approach/climb, or possibly some technical mixed climbing. IMO in washington, mountaineering explicitly involves glaciers and often occurs on volcanoes. To consider certain rock climbs not alpine (i.e. WA Pass) detracts from the sense of adventure employed by the FAists. I suppose in my mental heirarchy "alpine routes" rank something like this on the Alpinometer. 1. Alpine cragging w/o summit (SCW) 2. Alpine cragging w/ summit (WA Pass) 3. Remote alpine rock climbing (Prusik) 4. Short glacier approach climbs (NR Stuart) 5. Extensive glacier approach climbs with some steep snow on routes (Cascade Pass) 6. Winter/Spring Alpine mixed routes (DT, Stuart)

Come on oly, you know he hasnt done any pushups since highschool

It is a bit weird and busy fishing up near the hatchery, but a bit of walking on the far bank seems to make things feel more "natural" and less crowded. I was amazed how many people were content to just fish that first series of pools before the foot bridge. It definitely fishes like a spring creek though, those fish are tight lipped. That is the second I have heard about crab creeks in the past week. Perhaps I will have to check it out. It'd be cool if you could PM me any beta you have on fishing out there.

Gary, you must have been riding your bike really fast

Way to go guys. I'm sure many folks would have turned around in your situation, but you pushed through it.

Rocky Ford. My first trip out there. Beautiful place with huge fish. http://picasaweb.google.com/Jason.Killgore/RockFordCreekFlyFishing Were you fishing for steelhead? I have found I rarely have the patience for steelhead fishing (probably because I am so bad at it).