TrogdortheBurninator

I love mountain house lasagna! I go on so few overnight trips, that the $6 for a mountain house seems more than worth it for the taste-nutrition-convenience combo. I'm not sue why any weekend warriors wouldnt just sack up for the cost of freeze dried meals.

mental note: never let kevbone babysit

Out of curiosity, which shop had them?

nw forest pass. Northbend ranger station is on your way out there. I think REI might have em too, but I'm not sure.

Nice work! Sure doesn't feel like V1 without tape, but maybe it does with.

Seeing as Raindawg willingly gave up his identity for his very cool archaeology post, I don't see how outing them will help anything. A little bit of detective work or a LW guidebook would easily reveal pope's identity too. Regardless of enviro or ego, their viewpoint still has merit and adds healthy balance to the bolting discussion. It is too bad they usually have to resort to personal attacks and off-topic humor instead of factual logical arguments.

This is where mySpaceDinosaur comes in: http://www.spacedinosaur.com/mpopup/open.html

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I think he got the class he payed for, but wasn't able to take the second part of the class that he signed up for but was cancelled.

I think it is a bit funny that 4/5 of your email points relate to you not being savy enough to work out a reservation system. This isn't Expedia, it is a small guiding company. They don't have some high powered IT department refining their systems. Still, it sounds like CAG might have dropped the ball in remedying the situation regardless of how much a jerk you were to them.

Nice post Pope. Aside from some overly broad generalizations I'd agree with a lot of what you are saying. The key is that rap bolting should be thoughtful. What I don't understand is your constant bashing of the rappel bolting in darrington. In my experience rappel bolted routes in darrington are broadly incredibly well thought out and enjoyable, while still preserving a healthy dose of excitement. Yes they are tamer than some of the lead bolted routes, but the flavor of the area has been preserved in a slightly safer modern manner. Many of the old runout routes still exist in their original state, others have had their original hardware updated (by hand where legally required), and a few others have been retrobolted. You would be far fetched to call any of the crags grid bolted, and most of the routes get your heart pumping if the climbing is anywhere near your limit. By contrast E38 has some 2 bolt shit piles that really are a slap in the face of climbing. The quality sucks and it sure gives the impression of being bolted just because the FAist could. Lumping all rap bolting into a single group is simply not fair. It is equally unfair to blame the WCC for advocating sport bolting. What the WCC aims to protect AFAIK is climbing access. This includes traditional crags and sport crags. Extra bonus question (probably asked before): If the FAist of Infinite Bliss would redrill every single bolt by hand, would you still call for its removal?

The main thing vantage lacks is easily top ropeable climbs. If you are unfamiliar with leading, you best bet might be a trip to icicle creek in leavenworth. Endless top ropeable routes.

Temps in Tieton were sub-billion, and the rock all stayed intact.

Bullshit! Most experienced sport climbers I know care significantly about their surroundings/environment. Sport climbing, just like all forms of climbing, is a fantastic way to enjoy ones self in the great outdoors. There is a big picture and a small picture, and dmuja et al. seem to have no grasp on their interrelation. The more climbers/hikers/cyclists etc. getting outside and using the resource, the more support that will exist for preserving the big picture resource. Sure some rockwalls will be tainted by lines of nearly invisible bolts, and some natural foliage will be decimated by the building of trails, but once these bolts and trails are established they will bring with them a user group who cares deeply about preserving that area from urban sprawl and other genuinely intrusive development. I especially call bullshit on Dmuja's half ass argument that sport climbing will somehow contribute to globabl warming. I would bet my life that the net environmental preservation value of a single sport climber (even considering something as simple as pro-environment voting) far exceeds (orders of magnitude) any sort of legitimate impact. IMO bolts should be used in a means that maximizes the quality of a resource. This isnt to say we should bolt every line. In fact I see no problem with certain face climbs remaining as TR only for all but the boldest of climbers (provided there is reasonable access to the cliff top via easy natural lines or a walk around). I also strongly agree that sport climbs dont belong on certain crags (castle, scw, etc) and especially that protectable features should not be bolted in predominantly traditional crags. BTW, I agree 100% with Dwayner's assessment that discussion of bolting with a range of view points is essential to the continued livelihood of our sport and the preservation of our more natural crags. New climbers likely won't learn this debate in the gym, and hopefully these threads at least catch the eye of the occasional new climber. When I first started climbing I really thought traditional climbing was overly risky (no way I'd ever climb over 5.6 on gear I told myself, too dangerous). I didn't fully understand why "they" couldn't bolt some cracks here and there to help out with the learning curve in a safe manner. Now I know better, and I'm sure other climbers will learn these things too.

Two 4s is very adequate to sew things up, you definitely dont need 3.5s, as 3s will do just fine.

Great TR! How'd the dogs do with the side bags and what not?

very cool! Should have brought the night vision camera.

oh man, I thought we were going to have a cripple fight. hu0wKcyr-gk

After fondling the new cobras, i'd have to say they are the sexiest tool i've ever seen. I'd buy them even if I didnt ice climb.

Not having an address should be requisite. Furthermore, I don't think too many dirt bags should have a steady internet connection, so most of the posters here are out. I also don't think college students can be dirt bags since classes serve as a responsibility. One might achieve temporary dirtbag status by quitting your job for a few months, although true dirt bag status should be reserved for say 6 month plus unemployed, or many years of odd job labor.

Way to get out and explore. Any pictures of the actual climbing?

congrats Wayne! That is phenomenal.

The flake pitch is mostly 5.8 or easier, but onthe crux you move out over thinner feet and have to reach high around a corner to lock in a good hold (5.9-5.9+). Technically harder, but not as strenuous as the OW IMO.

There is a reasonable amount of 5.8-5.9 climbing. The undercling pitch has a one move crux, but is fairly sustained 5.8 up to the crux. The offwidth is 5.9 for about 15', then it starts to ease. I think there is also on more short 5.9 bit after the OW pitch, but I remember this being pretty straightforward.

No Dolphin?