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Here's the soundtrack for that... [video:youtube]

Thanks Jon, I'm behind you on this issue 100%, and I've been writing to my elected officials. Anyone in Jamie Herrera's district should write to her, she's on the side of the copyright clowns at this point in time.

I was gonna ban the lot of you just for making me look at this shit show. A handful of folks have made much of Spray no damn fun, but then TTK went and self edited. A pox on both your houses, think twice before you try and use me as a pawn in your stupid games.

I'll see your Waits and raise you a Lifter Puller: Smokin' weed and making money! [video:youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nwzEyiu7Jg

I'm really sorry to hear it Sobo, here's to Phydeaux and cat people in general I know how you're feeling. On the bright side, this means that now you can get some kittens! A friend of mine just fostered a new mom cat from the shelter while the kittens grew, then she kept two of them (pick of the litter) and the others and their mom got swiftly adopted on the basis of the glowing reviews she wrote of them. This is my plan for the next time a position opens up in my household.

Anecdotally, I know several people my age who attribute these sort of programs with changing the paths of their lives and averting personal disaster, though I do think it was more of a residential school program than a one month session in the woods.

I'd have to say I pretty much agree with the Dawg on this, and the little things do matter. My own recent encounter was flying with my 92 year old mother in law, who TSA made stand up on the rubber mat with her feet in the yellow foot marks (she's tiny, the wide stance almost made her fall over) while they did the whole physical search routine, complete with "I'm putting my finger inside your underwear" and "I'll be running the back of my hand over your genitals." Boy howdy did that make me feel safer and more impressed with security in America. Its these little erosions that create the security state, and its really less about your safety and more about control. Sure, its not as bad as Syria for example, but I don't think that's a valid argument. Bit by bit, your rights as a citizen are chipped away.

Nice to see you have some ambitions, a little room to grow. You've got the jaded rude poser thing down pretty pat, time to stop resting on your laurels and up your game a notch.

I'm not belittling the idea, I'm just trying to express my inadequacy at having an appropriate response. A fund is a great idea and I'm behind it 100%, I just wish there was more I could do.

You know, a lot of folks here are just crag climbers. Perhaps we could just all gather at Camp Muir some Saturday? In all seriousness, I'm down with a fund. Children age 2 and 4? Ho man but a fund is just a band aid, but what else can us not-personally-connected average joe's offer?

jay, do you think consumption is the only threat offered by tranagenic foods? Do you know anyone feeding soymilk totheir children in bpa free bottles? Do you know any conservatives obsessed with islamofascism who can't create a secure password?

if you think that's a rebuttle, you're weaker than you think

oopposite siders are baby rapers

You say that like its a bad thing.

"free aid" is an oxymoron

Pyongyang dance party [video:youtube]

Good point Feck, I always solicit RuMR's advice on alpine routes.

Oh, but its been awhile since we've had such a grand sprayocalypse, jolly good show.

Sobo will. Sobo will click anything.

Thanks Chris. I share your perspective, so naturally I find I agree with you. Some others won't, and that's their right, but I'd like to remind everyone we're in the Climbers Board and I'd like to see a greater degree civility than this sort of thing often exhibits.

Did you find it yet? Does Jesus have it behind the couch?

I saw it when the Best of the Banff film festival ran through Olympia. Great film, especially if you've experienced winter mountaineering and wondered just what the hell you were doing out there, but its not the sort of uplifting thing that's gonna make your date's eyes twinkle and squeeze your biceps.

I dunno, pooping on someone's ropes is rude, but its hardly the worst offense someone can commit climbing. I knew a guy who dropped the belay rope while the leader was 80' off the deck on Stoners Highway (Middle Cathedral in Yose) and ran away because of some rock fall. Way way worse than water soluble poo. Not assisting another climber in distress at high altitude because you want the summit? Orders of magnitude worse than fecal insults. Both of those WOS guys have had children, I'll wager they've had to deal with a lot more human waste since those days on El Cap. Other people's poop is just titillatingly icky, grade school humor, but we're all far more familiar with it than we'd admit. Wings of Steel is still a stupid route put up by a couple of yahoos who'd never climbed El Cap, taking an insane number of days to put up a 9 pitch variation. While the second ascent made it clear they didn't drill nearly as many holes as they were accused of, they still drilled far more than they claimed. Not only that, they put out an overblown book about their travails, total drama queens. Yes, they were very poorly treated and didn't deserve that, and the Valley has always had a cliquish in-crowd, but those two boys are really lucky they didn't take up surfing; they'd have suffered some real physical harm with never a whisper of hope for an apology. Thumbs up to Steve Schneider for his apology, but he's a bit of a drama queen himself, and has certainly spun it well enough to up his cred. The tearful apology still smells of shameless self promotion, but folks sure are lining up to congratulate him on how brave he is. It's as if Reality Television is now defining reality, action doesn't matter if its unwitnessed and not sprayed to the world. Will I get points if I call up the Del Mar Safeway to apologize for shoplifting a roll of slice & bake chocolate chip cookie dough (kind of like poo) back in 1972? Will I get more points if I get Good Morning America to film me doing it? The WOS guys set out to try and revise their reputations for posterity, recasting themselves as the hardest aid climbers ever for a vastly expanded climbing population who wasn't around back in the day. They seem to have achieved their goal, but I still see them as a couple of whiners who failed to get over sleights from their youth. Whatever, it all still amounts to exactly what it did before the retro-polishing of history, a hill of beans. Guess I'm getting all curmudgeonly in my dotage. Bah, humbug.

Okay Laura, signed and done. Who's getting the bribe money or some other financial incentive to make this change? It smells fishy to me