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Or maybe your clock radio doesn't have to still reliably work after going thru a huge slide. Or function in wet and cold conditions. Now, arc'teryx bibs, those are overpriced.

Whole school of pike, but not the fish I was after. Maybe we need a troll icon. or

Sounds like it's too easy for you, but I'd suggest soloing Leutholds this weekend. Should be plenty of snow there. It will be sheltered from the wind, so you can go for it even if it's snowing and blowing elsewhere.

From timberline, Opening Thursday, 11/20: As of 1:18:21 PM on 11/17/2003 Skies: Snowing Heavily New Snow: 14 inches Snow Depth at Lodge: 30 inches Palmer Base Snow Depth: 90 inches Temp: 30 degrees Wind: W 10-15 mph Meadows still on hold: As of Monday 11/17 at 9:00 AM, we have 26 inches in the base and 30 inches on top. It's blasting up there: http://www.seawfo.noaa.gov/products/OSOTIM

http://www.sportextreme.com/pq339/ These guys are already in Europe.

Here's some more that I like: ANARCHISM: You have two cows. Either you sell the milk at a fair price or your neighbors try to take the cows and kill you. BUREAUCRACY: You have two cows. At first the government regulates what you can feed them and when you can milk them. Then it pays you not to milk them. Then it takes both, shoots one, milks the other and pours the milk down the drain. Then it requires you to fill out forms accounting for the missing cows. FASCISM: You have two cows. The government takes both, hires you to take care of them, and sells you the milk. LIBERTARIANISM: Go away. What I do with my cows is none of your business. POLITICAL CORRECTNESSISM: You are associated with (the concept of "ownership" is a symbol of the phallocentric, warmongering, intolerant past) two differently aged (but no less valuable to society) bovines of nonspecified gender. SURREALISM: You have two giraffes. The government requires you to take harmonica lessons. COUNTERCULTURE: Wow, dude, there's like.. these two cows, man. Uh, so, like, you have really got to do some of this milk, like, fer shur, it's awesome, man.

From the Tao: It is easy to fail when nearing completion, therefore, take care right to the end, not only in the beginning. It's interesting to note all the problems that happen when we're careless on "safe" ground. I remember that Reinhold broke his leg at home, dinking around his castle. Bearzi died within a few hundred yards of camp, on relatively easy ground. Mugs died in a crevasse while testing a snowbridge on moderate terrain. While certainly not in their league, I dropped deep into a slot a few years ago on the Winthrop just a few hundred yards from the safety of St. Elmo's while retreating from bad weather on Lib. ridge. I also just sustained bruises, but was lucky that I didn't break a leg or worse. I stopped after 20 feet or so and was just touching both sides of the slot. Another 5 feet and I'd have been wedged. I know my inattention caused my fall, as I was looking up the trail instead of in front of me. I missed the signs of a small crevasse that was covered w/ some new snow and wasn't probing as much as I had been while farther from the pass. Those tails are dangerous. While descending from Windy Corner a while back I caught a cord on a crampon spike and had to hop on one leg down an icy patch w/ my sled trying to drag me down. It's always fascinating to me that the hardest part of the climbs usually pass under such extreme focus that we remain safe, but the stumbling and bumbling happen near safety. Anyone else had a close call on easy ground?

Sure you can!

Anyone used this pack? OMC had a good deal on it and I'm going to see if they'll order one for me. Looks like it has it all for a ~45 l. pack, tool tubes, ski slots, shovel & crampon pockets, w/ a decent minimal suspension and ~3.5 lb weight. I was carting around the new critter and couldn't try it on. Comments , criticism , sarcasm , abuse ?

I saw a bobcat with a red collar and a bell at about 7000 ft. in the krumholtz at Cooper spur. I was coming down to our camp after climbing Sunshine. I remember hearing a jingle, which my brain just discarded as "No Way there's a jingle bell up here". I heard it again and looked around and there it was, just sitting on a rock. I turned to call someone else and when I turned back, he was gone. This was back in '01. I believe someone had lost their pet. Someone told me they saw some "lost bobcat" signs in Govy, but I never found a number to call. I've also seen a half grown cougar on the Cooper spur road near the logging down low. That's a critter rich area. Too bad it'll all be bunny slope in a few years. Bobcats, cougars, and bears, oh my.

Not online, but costco does prints from digital media for 19 cents a print. You use a kiosk in their stores to upload your photos.

True dat. You can go below the rock, but you need to go a few hundred feet below to get to stuff you can downclimb pretty easily. Then, you either have to climb down thru the icefall or go up and around it. I think its easier to drop thru the saddle and cruise down and around.

My wife's Croatian, from Split. I've been a couple of times. There are routes being put up in town, at the big park called Marjan on the sea, near the end of the point. I'd stop in at the alpine club, Hrvatsko Planinarsko Drustvo (Croatian Mountain Club) in Split. It's on the same street as the McDonalds downtown, towards the sea. There's usually someone there during the day. There's limestone everywhere, which is just starting to get developed. There is supposed to be a guide out soon. Here's some good route info etc. from a climbers web page Here's some info from some guys web page on the climbing: CLIMBING: Sheer rock face slopes on Mount Velebit and Anic Kuk. Contact the Croatian Tourist Board. For other routes contact the Croatian Mountaineering Society. Phone (09385)-1-42-9927. ICE CLIMBING: Croatia boasts some of the world's best alpinists. Write, preferably in Croat, to Climbing Club Mosor 1925, Marmontova 2, Split. From here More info: Climbing: -- http://www.croatia.hr/ - General information - The mountains of the Republic of Croatia - A Description of the Mountains and Hills - -- http://www.findcroatia.f2s.com/ - Active Vacation - Climbing - -- Rock Climbing - http://islands.zesoi.fer.hr/~dvukmir/ - Web Site Catagoies = Climbing areas in Croatia - Alpinisam and Sport climbing clubs - Artificail rocks and gyms(CRO only) - Contact Addresses - The World Climbing Archive - Climbing guidebooks for the rest of the world - Under cons: search WWW stie - Visit Web gallery - -- Croatia Climbing Areas - http://islands.zesoi.fer.hr/~dvukmir/climbing.htm - w/map and each area has its own web page - -- Losinj Island - http://www.island-losinj.com/sport.htm - -- Makarska City Mountaineering Society - Tel 616-455 - from here Biokovo, near Makarska is a short drive south of Split. There are some neat villages and great beaches along the way. There are routes near here, but I don't have any particulars other than a guide was in the works a few years ago. Great climbing area in Croatia is in national park "Paklenica" .Canyon is aprox. 1 mile from the Adriatic coast where is small city Starigrad with hotel ,pansions , rooms. First bigger city with aeroport is 25 miles, Zadar -also at the coast. This is farther from Split, tho. I think this info relates to an area in the north, but you can ride the ferry for pretty cheap: Climbing Festival Here's a good one on Dalmatian Climbing Dalmatia is the region in S. Croatia, famous for its beaches & warm weather. There are many links listed here. If you've got 4 days to burn, I'd also recommend a road/ferry trip out to Slovenia and do Triglav. You can do 2000m of limestone by 4th class (via ferrata) or 5.12 or anywhere in between. One big draw is there are huts around the thing at the bottom, but there's also a nice big hut (sleeps 140, serves booze & food) above 3k m, only an hour from the summit. Tominska Pot (Tom's Way) is a fun walkup with significant exposure. We saw a chamois the last time we were there. In Italy, I've done some stuff around Cortina D'Ampezzo, but I believe that's north of Venice. Cortina is amazing, with huge limestone peaks everywhere, w/ chairlifts to the top.

Thanks, Shred. Great pics. Where did you guys camp? I am going in 2 weeks to do at least Middle if we get the weather. Hopefully will have a clear road by then.

It's statistically unlikely your head is so big. Therefore you can't have a head that big.

Anyone been into the sisters lately? It sounds as if the road is open to the trail head, but I never trust the forest service info. I assume the access from the S. still involves that extra slog from Bachelor. If I'm wrong, I'm sure you guys will let me know.

Just open the file using file->Open->Outlook Data File... and browse to the file. Must be in writeable location (not on cdr).

An accomplished endurance athelete™ would do it, just to show he could.

Aha! Wayne, is this something you've hinted at before (don't remember the venue) as the great unknown on hood? Glad you spilled it. I was fishing for a comment from you by listing NCHW. This way we'll get more SAR on the E. side.

Canadian Alpine Club info of course, if you read this: UIAA Notes it talks about one testing issue. However, below that it states that using a wet or iced rope decreases the number of falls by 67%. So, make sure your alpine rope never gets wet or icy, or if it does, discontinue use immediately

Steel Cliffs, now thru end o' april if you haven't already. What fun. 3 Sisters on skis M. Sister Ice Hose (NE face?) N. Sister Early Morning Couloir The ever classic Newton Clark Headwall Illumination rock Triple crown of the gorge: Dog, Ruckel, Defiance in a day. Make it special and swim the columbia

For the climb: Music device is good for sloggin' up the W. Butt. K-whale comes in good. Nothing like the beasties when skinning up ski hill Group of 3 or more, a Megamid is awesome for a kitchen where you can get out of the tent and socialize. You'll also reel in folks from other groups. Variety in food, don't just repeat the same 3-4 menus over and over (like I did). Don't forget the ramen. Foam cover taped around ice axe. Keeps your fingers from freezing Sweet bag (sleeping, that is ) Chair for thermarest 100% mandatory for 2 hour melt sessions Trash/Compactor bags for caches and hauling clean snow Foot powder for the end of the day sock changeover. Aaahh. XGK & some kind of stove board so you can cook IN the tent at 17k if necessary. If the wind is high you may not be able to in the vestibule. For the Butt, forget all the technical gear. Take an axe and picket each, with adequate rescue gear for a Z. Take one ascender and just use a daisy or runner for security when swapping at the anchors on the fixed lines. Batman down for fun For Basecamp Booze (Tequila, snow, lemon-lime gatorade = instant margaritas & many friends) Food - bring something great for when you get down. Some guy flew in with a hamburger, coke, and fries and sat down in front of 100+ climbers and started eating. He was living dangerously

Leaving at 6am tomorrow for Ouray. I'm sure it'll be melted by the time I get there. Just my luck.

Snoboy, Thanks for the info, just wanted to call your hand. I've used ortovox since the F2 (yuk) and had nothing but good luck with them. You do have good info. So far I've also used old trackers and the Arva 9000. The trackers seem to work well for folks with less practice. The arvas work well but there is a pause whenever you move away from the victim that takes some getting used to and wastes a few seconds. Another problem with the Arva is the switch to change modes is very easy to bump back to transmit while running during a search, leading to some confusion and more wasted time.

Yo Snoboy, Please justify your outright dismissal of Ortovox. I believe that the M2 still has one of the longest ranges of any beacon out there. I can understand if you don't want to train with a beacon why you'd want a tracker, but I believe that the M2 is a great beacon in the hands of a skilled user. I don't know much about the X1, but I did notice that it's priced below the M2, leading me to believe that the X1 is all digital but still underperforms the M2 in range and sensitivity.