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bump. Anyone been out there?

Stick a couple on the bottom of your sled so it doesn't slide backwards on uphill slogs when you stop.

Nope. And stick your patronizing attitude up your ass. Moderate that. Moderator: A person, or small group of people, who manages a moderated mailing list or Usenet newsgroup. Moderators are responsible for determining which email submissions are passed on to the list or newsgroup. Moderators came into being because of bbs and usenet postings. All moderated posts could not be seen until approved by the moderator. So, if they didn't approve of a posting, it didn't show up. This is censorship. You want total freedom of speech write your own newspaper or website. This forum requires a different approach because the rule is spray first, ask questions later. Therefore to moderate these forums you must edit, move, or delete posts. A moderator may issue warnings (which they have) but the main task is assuring the postings meet the agreed upon or mandated content.

So what did you do with them? C'mon, share the trash. Dibs on 5 if you still have them.

Since colorado has more resorts, the number of skiers is higher. You need to know how many skier-days there were and divide the number of incidents to normalize the fatalities. If more people died, but more people went, the frequency of avalanches is the same.

Better take a grammar lesson. A moderator is one who moderates, not one who is moderate. Their job is to remove improper material. Call yourself a warlord and ban away if you want. Delete, move, lock, whatever level of corruption your tiny bit of power incites you to do. If the "warlords" choose to rule by fear I doubt the site will prosper. If you want respect, clarify the rules and live by them. Tell people if they cross the line they'll be banned by IP, not avatar. Sure, some will go to the library or computer lab and keep posting, but most won't hassle with it again. Otherwise, banning is pointless if it's by avatar. Takes 30 seconds to login as another annoyance. Or so I've heard.

What I don't understand is why moderators bother banning an avatar if they let you back in with a new one. What's the point of banning you in the first place? Ban banning. It's pointless. Just remove the offensive message/image and keep on moderating. That's why they're called moderators, after all.

Fitzroy is the way to go if you need the room. 2 people + gear is no problem. Very strong tent & easy to setup. Vestibules are small for storage but OK for cooking. I-tent or Eldo for fast & light. 2 people, no gear, fits in narrow locations. Bibler all the way. Just wish they'd get those pole clips figured out better. Sucks to see a bunch of 10 cent wire wrap in a $600 tent. :dedhorse: Where's the dead horse gremlin? This is another thread that shows up at least twice a year.

Could be Muffy's alter ego. Harry Muff Pi. The spelngs a ded givweay.

Here's what happens when you mess w/ the 2nd Amendment. The sign on the van says "Hand Gun Control Shuttle Van"

I caught you knockin' at my cellar door I love you, baby, can I lead some more Ooh, ooh, the damage done. I hit the mountain and I lost my crew I watched the chaos take another few Gone, gone, the damage done. I sing the song because I love the rat I know that some of you just don't get that Ice-blood to keep on running out. I've seen the ice-axe and the damage done A little part of it in everyone But every climber's like a settin' sun....

Or maybe your clock radio doesn't have to still reliably work after going thru a huge slide. Or function in wet and cold conditions. Now, arc'teryx bibs, those are overpriced.

Whole school of pike, but not the fish I was after. Maybe we need a troll icon. or

Sounds like it's too easy for you, but I'd suggest soloing Leutholds this weekend. Should be plenty of snow there. It will be sheltered from the wind, so you can go for it even if it's snowing and blowing elsewhere.

From timberline, Opening Thursday, 11/20: As of 1:18:21 PM on 11/17/2003 Skies: Snowing Heavily New Snow: 14 inches Snow Depth at Lodge: 30 inches Palmer Base Snow Depth: 90 inches Temp: 30 degrees Wind: W 10-15 mph Meadows still on hold: As of Monday 11/17 at 9:00 AM, we have 26 inches in the base and 30 inches on top. It's blasting up there: http://www.seawfo.noaa.gov/products/OSOTIM

http://www.sportextreme.com/pq339/ These guys are already in Europe.

Here's some more that I like: ANARCHISM: You have two cows. Either you sell the milk at a fair price or your neighbors try to take the cows and kill you. BUREAUCRACY: You have two cows. At first the government regulates what you can feed them and when you can milk them. Then it pays you not to milk them. Then it takes both, shoots one, milks the other and pours the milk down the drain. Then it requires you to fill out forms accounting for the missing cows. FASCISM: You have two cows. The government takes both, hires you to take care of them, and sells you the milk. LIBERTARIANISM: Go away. What I do with my cows is none of your business. POLITICAL CORRECTNESSISM: You are associated with (the concept of "ownership" is a symbol of the phallocentric, warmongering, intolerant past) two differently aged (but no less valuable to society) bovines of nonspecified gender. SURREALISM: You have two giraffes. The government requires you to take harmonica lessons. COUNTERCULTURE: Wow, dude, there's like.. these two cows, man. Uh, so, like, you have really got to do some of this milk, like, fer shur, it's awesome, man.

From the Tao: It is easy to fail when nearing completion, therefore, take care right to the end, not only in the beginning. It's interesting to note all the problems that happen when we're careless on "safe" ground. I remember that Reinhold broke his leg at home, dinking around his castle. Bearzi died within a few hundred yards of camp, on relatively easy ground. Mugs died in a crevasse while testing a snowbridge on moderate terrain. While certainly not in their league, I dropped deep into a slot a few years ago on the Winthrop just a few hundred yards from the safety of St. Elmo's while retreating from bad weather on Lib. ridge. I also just sustained bruises, but was lucky that I didn't break a leg or worse. I stopped after 20 feet or so and was just touching both sides of the slot. Another 5 feet and I'd have been wedged. I know my inattention caused my fall, as I was looking up the trail instead of in front of me. I missed the signs of a small crevasse that was covered w/ some new snow and wasn't probing as much as I had been while farther from the pass. Those tails are dangerous. While descending from Windy Corner a while back I caught a cord on a crampon spike and had to hop on one leg down an icy patch w/ my sled trying to drag me down. It's always fascinating to me that the hardest part of the climbs usually pass under such extreme focus that we remain safe, but the stumbling and bumbling happen near safety. Anyone else had a close call on easy ground?

Sure you can!

Anyone used this pack? OMC had a good deal on it and I'm going to see if they'll order one for me. Looks like it has it all for a ~45 l. pack, tool tubes, ski slots, shovel & crampon pockets, w/ a decent minimal suspension and ~3.5 lb weight. I was carting around the new critter and couldn't try it on. Comments , criticism , sarcasm , abuse ?

I saw a bobcat with a red collar and a bell at about 7000 ft. in the krumholtz at Cooper spur. I was coming down to our camp after climbing Sunshine. I remember hearing a jingle, which my brain just discarded as "No Way there's a jingle bell up here". I heard it again and looked around and there it was, just sitting on a rock. I turned to call someone else and when I turned back, he was gone. This was back in '01. I believe someone had lost their pet. Someone told me they saw some "lost bobcat" signs in Govy, but I never found a number to call. I've also seen a half grown cougar on the Cooper spur road near the logging down low. That's a critter rich area. Too bad it'll all be bunny slope in a few years. Bobcats, cougars, and bears, oh my.

Not online, but costco does prints from digital media for 19 cents a print. You use a kiosk in their stores to upload your photos.

True dat. You can go below the rock, but you need to go a few hundred feet below to get to stuff you can downclimb pretty easily. Then, you either have to climb down thru the icefall or go up and around it. I think its easier to drop thru the saddle and cruise down and around.

My wife's Croatian, from Split. I've been a couple of times. There are routes being put up in town, at the big park called Marjan on the sea, near the end of the point. I'd stop in at the alpine club, Hrvatsko Planinarsko Drustvo (Croatian Mountain Club) in Split. It's on the same street as the McDonalds downtown, towards the sea. There's usually someone there during the day. There's limestone everywhere, which is just starting to get developed. There is supposed to be a guide out soon. Here's some good route info etc. from a climbers web page Here's some info from some guys web page on the climbing: CLIMBING: Sheer rock face slopes on Mount Velebit and Anic Kuk. Contact the Croatian Tourist Board. For other routes contact the Croatian Mountaineering Society. Phone (09385)-1-42-9927. ICE CLIMBING: Croatia boasts some of the world's best alpinists. Write, preferably in Croat, to Climbing Club Mosor 1925, Marmontova 2, Split. From here More info: Climbing: -- http://www.croatia.hr/ - General information - The mountains of the Republic of Croatia - A Description of the Mountains and Hills - -- http://www.findcroatia.f2s.com/ - Active Vacation - Climbing - -- Rock Climbing - http://islands.zesoi.fer.hr/~dvukmir/ - Web Site Catagoies = Climbing areas in Croatia - Alpinisam and Sport climbing clubs - Artificail rocks and gyms(CRO only) - Contact Addresses - The World Climbing Archive - Climbing guidebooks for the rest of the world - Under cons: search WWW stie - Visit Web gallery - -- Croatia Climbing Areas - http://islands.zesoi.fer.hr/~dvukmir/climbing.htm - w/map and each area has its own web page - -- Losinj Island - http://www.island-losinj.com/sport.htm - -- Makarska City Mountaineering Society - Tel 616-455 - from here Biokovo, near Makarska is a short drive south of Split. There are some neat villages and great beaches along the way. There are routes near here, but I don't have any particulars other than a guide was in the works a few years ago. Great climbing area in Croatia is in national park "Paklenica" .Canyon is aprox. 1 mile from the Adriatic coast where is small city Starigrad with hotel ,pansions , rooms. First bigger city with aeroport is 25 miles, Zadar -also at the coast. This is farther from Split, tho. I think this info relates to an area in the north, but you can ride the ferry for pretty cheap: Climbing Festival Here's a good one on Dalmatian Climbing Dalmatia is the region in S. Croatia, famous for its beaches & warm weather. There are many links listed here. If you've got 4 days to burn, I'd also recommend a road/ferry trip out to Slovenia and do Triglav. You can do 2000m of limestone by 4th class (via ferrata) or 5.12 or anywhere in between. One big draw is there are huts around the thing at the bottom, but there's also a nice big hut (sleeps 140, serves booze & food) above 3k m, only an hour from the summit. Tominska Pot (Tom's Way) is a fun walkup with significant exposure. We saw a chamois the last time we were there. In Italy, I've done some stuff around Cortina D'Ampezzo, but I believe that's north of Venice. Cortina is amazing, with huge limestone peaks everywhere, w/ chairlifts to the top.

Thanks, Shred. Great pics. Where did you guys camp? I am going in 2 weeks to do at least Middle if we get the weather. Hopefully will have a clear road by then.