John Frieh Posted March 16, 2006 Posted March 16, 2006 I'll respond to some sucker-ass commentary. It's like this. I'll be the first to agree that roped skiing and billygoat BS are highly contrived. But who goes to ski something with those kinda maneuvers in mind?  Step 1: go climb the route (or the route next to the route).  Step 2: determine that a ski descent is possible. Now you're getting after it. But maybe at some point making turns just doesn't seem safe any more. So you fetch your ax. Or you do some sidestepping. If you were on a huge alpine climb would you retreat just because you couldn't free part of it? I didn't think so.  Step 3: spray hard and let the peanut gallery and some armchair mofos scrutinize everything and rampantly misinterpret words, actions and motives as they are so wont to do.  It all makes for good entertainment.   Step 4: If a particular route is skied then the only acceptable style of ascent post FSD would be to solo the route. If someone can descend a route minus a rope then you should be able to ascend the route in the same style. Quote
JoshK Posted March 16, 2006 Posted March 16, 2006 Modern "mixed" climbing is soooooooooo much more contrived than any of today's extreme skiing so I find it odd that climbers would throw stones at those doing what it takes to ski steeper and more difficult lines. Quote
DirtyHarry Posted March 16, 2006 Posted March 16, 2006 Modern mixed climbing - meaning single pitch bolted routes? That is contrived. But not any more contrived than sport climbing or any type of crag climbing really. Â Modern mixed in the mountains is just what its always been, 5.10 A2, but with a different name. Quote
John Frieh Posted March 17, 2006 Posted March 17, 2006 Modern "mixed" climbing is soooooooooo much more contrived than any of today's extreme skiing so I find it odd that climbers would throw stones at those doing what it takes to ski steeper and more difficult lines. Â Maybe you read it wrong... I think extreme ski descents are very impressive. What I was getting at/trying to say was if someone does pull off a ski descent of a particular route and I am considering climbing it I should heavily consider soloing it. Quote
ashw_justin Posted March 17, 2006 Posted March 17, 2006 This is for noone specifically... but  The insinuation that just because a route is scary to you, then a 'ski mountaineer' must be as pussy as you are, and not crank turns, is bullshit. People have and do ski these routes in good style, without iceaxes, without being little bitches and downclimbing/rapping, like many "climbers" would. There, it's been said. Evolve. Quote
olyclimber Posted March 17, 2006 Posted March 17, 2006 jeesus...somebody get on this shit. rip up the wall, lol! Quote
layton Posted March 17, 2006 Posted March 17, 2006 This is for noone specifically... but The insinuation that just because a route is scary to you, then a 'ski mountaineer' must be as pussy as you are, and not crank turns, is bullshit. People have and do ski these routes in good style, without iceaxes, without being little bitches and downclimbing/rapping, like many shithead "climbers" would. There, it's been said. Evolve.  Quote
Couloir Posted April 13, 2006 Posted April 13, 2006 Anyone have current pics of Thermogenesis. Here's a recent pic of the North side. You can see a little of Thermogenesis, but nothing really close up. I bet the cats that were just up on LR may have some beta looking down into it though. Quote
Stefan Posted April 14, 2006 Posted April 14, 2006 I wonder if anyone has traversed underneath the seracs at the top of Willis Wall? Quote
boardor Posted April 14, 2006 Posted April 14, 2006 Anyone ever climb Themogenesis in here before? Quote
DirtyHarry Posted April 14, 2006 Posted April 14, 2006 Climbing it in here would be really tough! Quote
Couloir Posted April 15, 2006 Posted April 15, 2006 Anyone ever climb Themogenesis in here before? It's been a long time since ANYONE has done anything on WW, here or anywhere else. From an objective hazard POV, its just a really dangerous route. What specifically are you looking for/interested in? Beta? Quote
PotatoWedgeSkier Posted April 20, 2006 Posted April 20, 2006 Anyone ever climb Themogenesis in here before? Â Here are some good Thermo route photos from yesterday. Â Seems like climbing it would be a great way to prove your manhood! Quote
zaugg Posted April 20, 2006 Posted April 20, 2006 Â amazed how cloudy it is on the route - take compass Quote
Couloir Posted April 20, 2006 Posted April 20, 2006 amazed how cloudy it is on the route - take compass Umm...avalanche? Quote
DirtyHarry Posted April 20, 2006 Posted April 20, 2006 No that's a cloud suspended right in the middle of the route. I'm pretty sure. Quote
G-spotter Posted April 20, 2006 Posted April 20, 2006 It's the Mike Layton "happy bleeding anus cloud" Quote
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