Fairweather Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6936328.ece Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlpineK Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 (edited) BP and Shell gave you a nice turkey for Thanksgiving Ya should have ask for a pumpkin pie too Urgent Memo Edited November 30, 2009 by Feck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 Ha! Sounds like a strategy straight out of the GW administration playbook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 who needs the golden tablets when you got the book o' mormon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prole Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 DON'T WORRY!!! EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE FINE!!! Climate change denier Nick Griffin to represent EU at Copenhagen Nick Griffin, the leader of the British National party, is to represent the European parliament at the UN climate change conference in Copenhagen, which opens next week. Last night politicians and scientists reacted furiously to news that the far-right politician and climate change denier should be attending the summit on behalf of the EU. Griffin, who was elected to the European parliament in June, confirmed last night that he would attend as the representative of the parliament's environmental committee. World leaders, including Barack Obama and Gordon Brown, are hoping to forge a new global agreement to curtail greenhouse gas emissions. Without such a deal, scientists warn that world temperatures will increase by more than 2C by the end of the century, triggering ice cap melting, sea-level rises, widespread flooding, the spread of deserts and devastating storms. In a speech in the parliament last week, Griffin denounced those who warn of the consequences of climate change as "cranks". He said they had reached "an Orwellian consensus" that was "based not on scientific agreement, but on bullying, censorship and fraudulent statistics". "The anti-western intellectual cranks of the left suffered a collective breakdown when communism collapsed. Climate change is their new theology… But the heretics will have a voice in Copenhagen and the truth will out. Climate change is being used to impose an anti-human utopia as deadly as anything conceived by Stalin or Mao." Griffin will be one of 15 representatives chosen to speak on behalf of the EU in Copenhagen. The shadow climate change secretary, Greg Clark, condemned the move last night. "It is utterly ridiculous that someone who doesn't even believe in climate change should be seeking to represent Europe in Copenhagen. The BNP does not command the support of the people of Britain, let alone of the rest of Europe," he said. A spokesman for the Department of Energy and Climate Change said: "Membership of the European parliament's delegation to Copenhagen is a matter for the European parliament. Its delegates do not represent the UK government or its views. Nick Griffin will not be part of the UK delegation." Tim Yeo, chairman of the Commons environmental audit committee, said the decision to choose Griffin showed the "bizarre way" the parliament operated. He added: "If the future prosperity of the human race, in the face of climate change, depends on the contributions of people like Nick Griffin, there is little hope for any of us." Professor Alan Thorpe, chief executive of the Natural Environment Research Council, said Griffin's claim that thousands of scientists dispute the existence of man-made global warming was simply not true. "The intergovernmental panel on climate change draws on the views of most of the world's leading climate scientists and they have been quite clear that the evidence shows, with a high degree of certainty, that human activities are now having a substantial effect on the climate. It is simply not the case that there is a substantial number who do not accept a link." Bob Ward, of Grantham Research Institute on Climate Change and the Environment, said: "Griffin denies the overwhelming scientific evidence on climate change. This appears to be driven by a dogmatic strand of right-wing ideology that opposes any form of environmental regulation, usually hidden behind the dishonest claim that climate change is a left-wing conspiracy." Chris Huhne, the Liberal Democrats' home affairs spokesman and a former MEP, said the European parliament always divided up positions on such delegations according to the parliament's political balance. "Griffin was bound to get something at some stage. It is just a shame they didn't send him to Iceland instead." Critics say Griffin addresses environmental issues when he believes he can use them to advance anti-immigration policies. His party claims that it would improve Britain's transport infrastructure and reduce carbon dioxide levels by reducing the number of immigrants in Britain using roads, cars, trains and buses. Gerry Gable, publisher of the anti-fascist magazine Searchlight, said Griffin once tried to win over environmentalists in the 1980s. "His core beliefs – that the white race is being threatened by an invading minority – are the so-called principles that have run through his nasty career." --Guardian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 and where are those airplane parts from the Pentagon attack? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billcoe Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 Saved for posterity in it's entirety. BTW, as long as we are asking important questions, where'd all dem glaciers git off too? "November 29, 2009 Climate change data dumped Jonathan Leake, Environment Editor SCIENTISTS at the University of East Anglia (UEA) have admitted throwing away much of the raw temperature data on which their predictions of global warming are based. It means that other academics are not able to check basic calculations said to show a long-term rise in temperature over the past 150 years. The UEA’s Climatic Research Unit (CRU) was forced to reveal the loss following requests for the data under Freedom of Information legislation. The data were gathered from weather stations around the world and then adjusted to take account of variables in the way they were collected. The revised figures were kept, but the originals — stored on paper and magnetic tape — were dumped to save space when the CRU moved to a new building. The admission follows the leaking of a thousand private emails sent and received by Professor Phil Jones, the CRU’s director. In them he discusses thwarting climate sceptics seeking access to such data. In a statement on its website, the CRU said: “We do not hold the original raw data but only the value-added (quality controlled and homogenised) data.” The CRU is the world’s leading centre for reconstructing past climate and temperatures. Climate change sceptics have long been keen to examine exactly how its data were compiled. That is now impossible. Roger Pielke, professor of environmental studies at Colorado University, discovered data had been lost when he asked for original records. “The CRU is basically saying, ‘Trust us’. So much for settling questions and resolving debates with science,” he said. Jones was not in charge of the CRU when the data were thrown away in the 1980s, a time when climate change was seen as a less pressing issue. The lost material was used to build the databases that have been his life’s work, showing how the world has warmed by 0.8C over the past 157 years. He and his colleagues say this temperature rise is “unequivocally” linked to greenhouse gas emissions generated by humans. Their findings are one of the main pieces of evidence used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, which says global warming is a threat to humanity." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 Just read two good climate change related articles: worsening bushfires in Australia (New Yorker) and methane release due to melting permafrost (Sci Am). But hey, the data's been throwed out, so none of it's really happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Conway Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 who needs the golden tablets when you got the book o' mormon? Moroni! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 Data? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6936328.ece McCain in a landslide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 Anyone participating in this discussion had better present their academic climatologist's credentials. Original documents only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prole Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 Only REAL birth-certificates, too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 You want climate data? I got your links to the raw data right here: http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/30/more-on-the-climate-files-and-climate-trends/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 That probably took, what, 60 Google-seconds to find? But you've got got your original academic credentials in order, so your typing fingers work that much better than, say, the average community college student. Still, I'm going with the Vast Conspiracy explanation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 I didn't even have to search for it because it came to me on the Google News front page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Conway Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 I didn't even have to search for it because it came to me on the Google News front page. Alas conservatives have trouble finding what's right in front of their fucking noses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prole Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 GOOGLE IS IN ON IT!!! DON'T YOU SEE?!?!?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 (edited) Conspiracy. It's all about getting more climate research funding. Or, it may even be more sinister than that... FW's apparent mentor, Lyndon LaRouche, has made the global warming hoax central to his political thesis, calling it genocide (because, he claims, people are having fewer children in the face of an increasingly bleak future). Someday, these intellectual powerhouses crying out from the not-warming-wilderness will be vindicated! Edited November 30, 2009 by tvashtarkatena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prole Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 Someday, these intellectual powerhouses crying out from the not-warming-wilderness will be vindicated! And we can finally lower taxes and onerous regulations on corporations!! History is on our side! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gertlush Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 I find it interesting how the environmental movement has borrowed a play from Bush & Co.. i.e. there is no time to think! ALARM! The terrorists/global warming is coming!! aaahhhhh just give us the power to do what we want... don't ask questions!! For most people environmentalism is great as long as somebody else does it. I walk to work everyday...my favourite is walking past the house of the lady who goes to work at the same time of me & who I catch up to 2 blocks later as she parks at work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Conway Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 I find it interesting how the environmental movement has borrowed a play from Bush & Co.. i.e. there is no time to think! ALARM! The terrorists/global warming is coming!! aaahhhhh just give us the power to do what we want... don't ask questions!! how do people get so fucking stupid? were you dropped as a child? the global warming thing isn't new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete_H Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 But ever since the raw data was destroyed no one believes in global warming anymore. Damn University of East Anglia! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 It's the Marmite they eat. must be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Conway Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 But ever since the raw data was destroyed no one believes in global warming anymore. Damn University of East Anglia! could you come up with some more data? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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