akhalteke Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Oh, and that is not anything like you calling Iraq like Vietnam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 That is yet to be seen Matt. Â Kosovo was a victory, but for whom? The politics were dubious; still are. My question is this. How can you stand behind Clinton while berating Russia when these are litterally idenical circumstances? Â I have not commented on Russia at all, and if you read my post you will see that I don't "stand behind" Clinton's decisions re: Kosovo. My only point was that you righties keep bringing up Kosovo as the worst ever application of the American military, yet if you look at what happened there, the results (questionable as they are), and the reaction of the rest of the world, it stacks up OK (not great) against virtually every US engagement for the last 30 years. Â And yes: you are right that it is not over yet. But in what way have I compared Iraq to Vietnam, and what was wrong with the comparison? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobo Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Are you better off now than you were 8 years ago? Â Absolutely! The organic farm is way better than Foster Farms. The hens here are great. And at the other place there was a huge jersey giant that used to kick my ass. Here, I've made top rooster and now I'm in charge. Run into any bad ass drakes lately...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Conway Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Also, a terrorist attack that failed is little cause of concern. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rooster Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Are you better off now than you were 8 years ago? Â Absolutely! The organic farm is way better than Foster Farms. The hens here are great. And at the other place there was a huge jersey giant that used to kick my ass. Here, I've made top rooster and now I'm in charge. Run into any bad ass drakes lately...? Â Â Listen, buddy. That was a sneak attack, and I obviously got the better of him when it was all over. Â ZR5_BHa-P7s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Are you better off now than you were 8 years ago? Â Absolutely! The organic farm is way better than Foster Farms. The hens here are great. And at the other place there was a huge jersey giant that used to kick my ass. Here, I've made top rooster and now I'm in charge. Run into any bad ass drakes lately...? Â Question is - has he run into any chicken hawks lately? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobo Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Are you better off now than you were 8 years ago? Â Absolutely! The organic farm is way better than Foster Farms. The hens here are great. And at the other place there was a huge jersey giant that used to kick my ass. Here, I've made top rooster and now I'm in charge. Run into any bad ass drakes lately...? Â Â Listen, buddy. That was a sneak attack, and I obviously got the better of him when it was all over. Looked to me like Mr. Drake handed your ass to you for 15 seconds, then a 10 second stare-down contest, then a single peck on the head ("Take that, duck!"), more stare-down, then you turned your back on him. I'd hardly call that "getting the better of him" in the end. Hmmmmmmmm, BBQ chicken of Peking Beijing Duck for dinner...??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akhalteke Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 That is yet to be seen Matt. Â Kosovo was a victory, but for whom? The politics were dubious; still are. My question is this. How can you stand behind Clinton while berating Russia when these are litterally idenical circumstances? Â I have not commented on Russia at all, and if you read my post you will see that I don't "stand behind" Clinton's decisions re: Kosovo. My only point was that you righties keep bringing up Kosovo as the worst ever application of the American military, yet if you look at what happened there, the results (questionable as they are), and the reaction of the rest of the world, it stacks up OK (not great) against virtually every US engagement for the last 30 years. Â And yes: you are right that it is not over yet. But in what way have I compared Iraq to Vietnam, and what was wrong with the comparison? Â How about the culture of the indigenous people Matt? Mending intra and inter-sect conflict is perhaps 90% of winning peace in Iraq. Now show me some correlations with Vietnam. The Mountaignards? Please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 How about the culture of the indigenous people Matt? Mending intra and inter-sect conflict is perhaps 90% of winning peace in Iraq. Now show me some correlations with Vietnam. The Mountaignards? Please. Â Say what? I'm not following you, Scott. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akhalteke Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Re: What are the differences between Iraq and Vietnam? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 We could think of a long list of differences. So what? Is your point that if there are some differences there can be no comparisons? And I ask again: what comparisons did you think I made, anyway? I probably did compare something about the two during the last six years of discussion around here but I'm not sure what you are referring to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlpineK Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 I thought this thread was about the upcoming Seahawks season. Â As for Bush and his crew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Conway Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Re: What are the differences between Iraq and Vietnam? Â You can't get good grilled dog in Baghdad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 As for Bush and his crew  you're not down with bush? that's sickie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 well, if you like pretty boy emo bands  m4jLHxbX3NA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Are you better off now than you were 8 years ago? Â Did someone fly planes into the twin towers and the pentagon previous to 8 years ago? The world has changed. That our way of life is relatively unchanged is quite remarkable as I see it. Â Tell me....what does planes flying into buildings have to do with our occupation of Iraq? Last time I checked the 19 highjackers were all from Saudi Arabia. WTF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Re: What are the differences between Iraq and Vietnam? Â At this point: Â Lives lost.....thats about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Re: What are the differences between Iraq and Vietnam? Â At this point: Â Lives lost.....thats about it. Â they say ignorance is bliss. Â you must be in a permanent, infinite state of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billcoe Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Â True Chicken hawks doesn't often prey on Chickens although they do prey on some birds on occasion. Hope the Rooster breaths easier. Maybe Mt Mouse is about to panic though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 KK, if you think that having the government run or maybe only encourage an insurance company along side private business offering the same is socialism and are not interested in questioning the baloney scare tactics fed you by insurance companies and others with a financial investment in the present healthcare system, I'm not sure you are in a good place to be calling Kevbone ignorant here. Â Clearly there are some similarities and some differences between Iraq and Vietnam. I'm guessing Kevbone is saying that he believes we hare or will lose in Iraq, and it is a matter of time before we have to bail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 KK, if you think that having the government run or maybe only encourage an insurance company along side private business offering the same is socialism... Â "Socialism refers to any of various economic and political concepts of state or collective (i.e. public) ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods and services," Â Government ownership of health care insurance, administration of it, and distribution of health care goods and services. Yep, sounds like socialism to me. Â Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Matt...I am not saying we will win anything. To win a war, one must be at war. We are occupying this country. Nothing more, nothing less. Â KKK....STFU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 I don't believe the current proposals call for the government running any more of the provision of healthcare services than present. I'm not sure to the extent that they even propose the government actually provide healthcare insurance, but neither one of them proposes to restrict or take over existing private healthecare insurance. Â Meanwhile, as you are morally opposed to socialism, I take it you and your parents will not in any way use medicare? You must also be calling for the closure of all VA hospitals, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 I don't believe the current proposals call for the government running any more of the provision of healthcare services than present. I'm not sure to the extent that they even propose the government actually provide healthcare insurance, but neither one of them proposes to restrict existing private healthecare insurance. Â The "current" proposals? By whom? The average leftist on this web site is for nationalizing health care, irrespective of what a particular national candidate is supposedly proposing (at the moment - that changes with the wind). Â Universal health care is all about wealth redistribution at the very least. Take taxes from one set of people to pay for someone else's insurance. The rich? Hardly - more like anyone who has a job. That is by definition socialism. All transfer payments are wealth-distribution and are socialist programs. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 OK smarty pants.....I dont know the answer, maybe you have the answer. How do we get health care to every American? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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