olyclimber Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/02/11/russian.bomber/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZimZam Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 A Defense Department weapons system analyst and three Chinese nationals have been arrested and charged in two espionage-related cases, prompting a top Justice Department official Monday to declare Chinese espionage is approaching "Cold War levels." http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/02/11/espionage.indictments/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Conway Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 I thought W saw into his soul? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
builder206 Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 I thought W saw into his soul? Has he been right about anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dechristo Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 Has he been right about anything? That's the question many conservatives are asking about McCain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClimbingPanther Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crux Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 I thought W saw into his soul? And W said, "Please to meet you, let me introduce myself, I'm a man of wealth and taste, come closer here and let me look at you, see into your soul." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JosephH Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 Our carrier groups are being systematically probed by the Chinese, Iranians, and now Russians. You can bet they're sharing intel on all these transactions. Now, I'm a peace-loving guy, but this is getting out of hand - the next time a Chinese sub surfaces inside a carrier group, a Tupolev overflies one under 30k ft, or a speed boat breaches an outer picket I believe we should firmly demonstrate exactly how unacceptable and dangerous we find such provocations. The longer we allow these kinds of probes the weaker we appear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Conway Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 I thought W saw into his soul? And W said, "Please to meet you, let me introduce myself, I'm a man of wealth and taste, come closer here and let me look at you, see into your soul." I'm fairly certain Putin is a dementor - he sucked W's soul right out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 We should start a world war so we don't appear so weak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 we should challenge them to a chinup contest. we'll show them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JosephH Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 It's not a matter of starting a world war - there are very real dangers and threats presented in each and every probe. And neither the Chinese nor the Russians will blink at the loss of a sub or bomber in the midsts of such provocations. There would be a lot of diplomatic hand-wringing, and then the provocations would stop. A clear and public warning from our Navy, the DoD, and the Whitehouse would be in order at this point as well; that way there would be no misunderstanding of the consequences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 Our carrier groups are being systematically probed by the Chinese, Iranians, and now Russians. You can bet they're sharing intel on all these transactions. Now, I'm a peace-loving guy, but this is getting out of hand - the next time a Chinese sub surfaces inside a carrier group, a Tupolev overflies one under 30k ft, or a speed boat breaches an outer picket I believe we should firmly demonstrate exactly how unacceptable and dangerous we find such provocations. The longer we allow these kinds of probes the weaker we appear. Maybe if we (Yes, by that I mean George Bush) weren't so busy putting provocative missile batteries in Poland and Czec Republic the Russians wouldn't feel the need to step back up to a war-footing. How's that for role-reversal, J? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMR Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 holy shit! is fairyweather actually critizing the bushco? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 holy shit! is fairyweather actually critizing the bushco? both bubba and w have favored NATO expansion - pissing off the Russkies. I just don't understand the point of antagonizing them in this way with an outdated cold-war-based alliance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weekend_Climberz Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 It's like a Dr. Suess book in more ways than one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JosephH Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 Fairweather, That's absolutely the reason for the Russian provocation, but the fact remains that carrier groups are the heart of our ability to project power and as such should not be subject to probing of any kind, for any reason. There are many other ways for the Russians to express their displeasure with our policies - this one is inherently dangerous. The US is making a mistake not making it publicly clear such provocations against carrier groups will not be tolerated for any reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 Why should we be entitled or able to project power? And why shouldn't China or Russia check our ability to do so? Last time I checked, an overflight by a friendly country wasn't justification to shoot down the offending aircraft. Come off it. Get real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 This is a TU-95, the bomber that did the overflight. I mean, Jebus, it doesn't even have jet engines. I've seen pre-school drawings that look more dangerous. Some threat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 And, hey Ivan, sorry for noticing, but if you're going to put tales the size of Rhode Island on your bombers, how about bumping up the size of the star a bit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 And what's with the "doggie boner" turboprops? Tuck those things back in! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 I'm surprised this thing isn't sporting big ole spoked landing gear all hanging down punk ass an shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 Whether or not we project power effectively, we sure as hell project better fashion sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JosephH Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 Why should we be entitled or able to project power? And why shouldn't China or Russia check our ability to do so? If you have to ask... Last time I checked, an overflight by a friendly country wasn't justification to shoot down the offending aircraft. Come off it. Get real. They aren't a 'friendly country' and overflights under 30k of a carrier group by any military aircraft is an unwise proposition at best. Again, by the very nature of their tiered defenses, breaching them is a risky and unwise provocation. Don't let the Tupolev's looks fool you, they are fast, capable, and act as a weapons platform as well as our B-52s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobo Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 I'm surprised this thing isn't sporting big ole spoked landing gear all hanging down punk ass an shit. ...with curb feelers, so Ivan doesn't scrub the gangsta whitewalls when he drags up to the club. Yo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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