sk Posted July 10, 2003 Posted July 10, 2003 trask said: blah blah blah blah blah blah ad nauseum barf you think that you can stop me not a chance "To thine own self be true" -William Shakespear Quote
allthumbs Posted July 10, 2003 Posted July 10, 2003 Greg_W said: trask said: blah blah blah blah blah blah ad nauseum barf And, how does that make you feel, Trask? Mhm, hmmmm; very good...yes...does that bother you? Mhmmm...hmmmm. Really. And how would you respond to that?....Yes, it's okay to cry.... I'm sorry kids. I'm way outta line. Seeing as how I'm not a touchy-feely kind a guy, I am insensitive to these types of feelings. I'll go sit in the corner for awhile and reflect on the errors of my ways. Carry on. Quote
Greg_W Posted July 10, 2003 Posted July 10, 2003 trask said: Greg_W said: trask said: blah blah blah blah blah blah ad nauseum barf And, how does that make you feel, Trask? Mhm, hmmmm; very good...yes...does that bother you? Mhmmm...hmmmm. Really. And how would you respond to that?....Yes, it's okay to cry.... I'm sorry kids. I'm way outta line. Seeing as how I'm not a touchy-feely kind a guy, I am insensitive to these types of feelings. I'll go sit in the corner for awhile and reflect on the errors of my ways. Carry on. Euphemism for 'play with myself' Quote
allthumbs Posted July 10, 2003 Posted July 10, 2003 Greg_W said: Euphemism for 'play with myself' Quote
Greg_W Posted July 10, 2003 Posted July 10, 2003 trask said: Greg_W said: Euphemism for 'play with myself' Nice nails trask. Do them yourself or go to a salon? Bwahahahaha Quote
RuMR Posted July 10, 2003 Posted July 10, 2003 you're a chick trask?????? WTF i thought you were a guy!!! Wow, you're hot...at least your tummy is... Quote
kitten Posted July 10, 2003 Posted July 10, 2003 Greg_W said: kitten said: But forgiveness and love are selfless acts. If you can do these two things after being hurt - it is selfless. Only when there are no expectations attached. I may regret bringing this back up, but what the hell. Again, I will say that the definition of 'selfless' and 'selfish' have been bastardized; mainly by mainstream religion. What is the 'self'? It is your essence, your mind, your spirit; those unique things that make up YOU. To be selfless would be to deny those things. True 'selflessness' is denial of your mind and a betrayal of that which makes up your set of ideals and precepts. If it is within your person to be forgiving, that is not selfless, it is selfish; defining 'selfish' as being true to yourself and your ideals. In your example, regardless of expectations, one stands to gain, or hopes to gain, some benefit from their action of forgiveness. Yes? Therefore, forgiveness is a selfish act. There is nothing wrong with selfishness when defined this way. 'Society' (another dubiously bastardized word) has taken it's own meaning of 'selfish' and preached the evils of living for yourself instead of some ethereal 'greater good' of all people. You make a good argument. TO EACH HIS OWN! Some will believe what is in thier hearts, thier minds, or what others tell them. Each one of us has our own time and process to figure shit out Quote
Dr_Flash_Amazing Posted July 10, 2003 Posted July 10, 2003 "I may regret bringing this back up, but what the hell. Again, I will say that the definition of 'selfless' and 'selfish' have been bastardized; mainly by mainstream religion. What is the 'self'? It is your essence, your mind, your spirit; those unique things that make up YOU. To be selfless would be to deny those things. True 'selflessness' is denial of your mind and a betrayal of that which makes up your set of ideals and precepts. If it is within your person to be forgiving, that is not selfless, it is selfish; defining 'selfish' as being true to yourself and your ideals. In your example, regardless of expectations, one stands to gain, or hopes to gain, some benefit from their action of forgiveness. Yes? Therefore, forgiveness is a selfish act. There is nothing wrong with selfishness when defined this way. 'Society' (another dubiously bastardized word) has taken it's own meaning of 'selfish' and preached the evils of living for yourself instead of some ethereal 'greater good' of all people." Forgiveness is about more than just gaining something for yourself, though (or it should be). It's about humbling yourself, restoring something good between both yourself and the other person/people, admitting that you were wrong, etc. And that definition of "selflessness" sounds kind of paranoid. DFA strongly doubts that any religion (short of your brainwashed cults, which hardly qualify as religions) really espouses the relinquishing of one's mind or self-determination for anything; but rather the making of sacrifices for your friends and neighbors and enemies and, you know, the common good. Quote
sk Posted July 11, 2003 Posted July 11, 2003 ahhhh sacrifice.... yet another word that has lost it's true meaning Quote
sk Posted July 11, 2003 Posted July 11, 2003 iain said: my dog you love this thread don't you muffy "I'm not aware of too many things... I know what I know if you know what I mean" -eddie brukell and the new bohimians I LOVE THIS SHIT Quote
Greg_W Posted July 11, 2003 Posted July 11, 2003 Dr_Flash_Amazing said: "I may regret bringing this back up, but what the hell. Again, I will say that the definition of 'selfless' and 'selfish' have been bastardized; mainly by mainstream religion. What is the 'self'? It is your essence, your mind, your spirit; those unique things that make up YOU. To be selfless would be to deny those things. True 'selflessness' is denial of your mind and a betrayal of that which makes up your set of ideals and precepts. If it is within your person to be forgiving, that is not selfless, it is selfish; defining 'selfish' as being true to yourself and your ideals. In your example, regardless of expectations, one stands to gain, or hopes to gain, some benefit from their action of forgiveness. Yes? Therefore, forgiveness is a selfish act. There is nothing wrong with selfishness when defined this way. 'Society' (another dubiously bastardized word) has taken it's own meaning of 'selfish' and preached the evils of living for yourself instead of some ethereal 'greater good' of all people." Forgiveness is about more than just gaining something for yourself, though (or it should be). It's about humbling yourself, restoring something good between both yourself and the other person/people, admitting that you were wrong, etc. And that definition of "selflessness" sounds kind of paranoid. DFA strongly doubts that any religion (short of your brainwashed cults, which hardly qualify as religions) really espouses the relinquishing of one's mind or self-determination for anything; but rather the making of sacrifices for your friends and neighbors and enemies and, you know, the common good. DFA; You are right, that is not why you forgive; but inherent in the act something is gained. Have you ever seen those bumper stickers, "Let Go and Let God"? Sounds like a relinquishment of self-determination and responsibility to me. Quote
Dr_Flash_Amazing Posted July 11, 2003 Posted July 11, 2003 Greg_W said: DFA; You are right, that is not why you forgive; but inherent in the act something is gained. Have you ever seen those bumper stickers, "Let Go and Let God"? Sounds like a relinquishment of self-determination and responsibility to me. Perhaps in that case, yeah, which would be more an abuse or blatant misinterpretation of Christian dogma, it sounds like. In which case, too bad for whomever thinks they need not think. Quote
RobBob Posted July 11, 2003 Posted July 11, 2003 Somebody put this shitbird thread to sleep please! Quote
Dru Posted July 11, 2003 Posted July 11, 2003 7 pages and no one mentioned Steven Hawking, Monty Pyhton Meaning of Life, Church of the Subgenius, the Bhagavad Gita, or the Burgess Shale yet, what is the world coming to? Quote
Bronco Posted July 11, 2003 Posted July 11, 2003 or C & S Engineering. (who's wonderful website is back up) Quote
kitten Posted July 11, 2003 Posted July 11, 2003 Dr_Flash_Amazing said: Greg_W said: Perhaps in that case, yeah, which would be more an abuse or blatant misinterpretation of Christian dogma, it sounds like. In which case, too bad for whomever thinks they need not think. Who said that forgiving or sacrificing does not involve thinking? They are decisions that would take a lot of thought and determination. They are two acts that don't come easy in our society. It is a "ME" or "I" world and the 'greater good' is often forgotten - such as the "WE" of marriage and family. I personally find it very sad and disappointing Quote
Greg_W Posted July 11, 2003 Posted July 11, 2003 kitten said: Dr_Flash_Amazing said: Greg_W said: Perhaps in that case, yeah, which would be more an abuse or blatant misinterpretation of Christian dogma, it sounds like. In which case, too bad for whomever thinks they need not think. Who said that forgiving or sacrificing does not involve thinking? They are decisions that would take a lot of thought and determination. They are two acts that don't come easy in our society. It is a "ME" or "I" world and the 'greater good' is often forgotten - such as the "WE" of marriage and family. I personally find it very sad and disappointing Nobody said that. I was addressing two points to the "Dumb Fucking Asshole" and maybe they looked like they were related. There is no "greater good" because someone is always left out in the cold. "Society" begins with the individual. Quote
kitten Posted July 11, 2003 Posted July 11, 2003 Greg_W said: [ Greg_W said: Nobody said that. I was addressing two points to the "Dumb Fucking Asshole" and maybe they looked like they were related. There is no "greater good" because someone is always left out in the cold. "Society" begins with the individual. Maybe you should start over in preschool & learn to share Quote
Greg_W Posted July 11, 2003 Posted July 11, 2003 kitten said: Greg_W said: [ Greg_W said: Nobody said that. I was addressing two points to the "Dumb Fucking Asshole" and maybe they looked like they were related. There is no "greater good" because someone is always left out in the cold. "Society" begins with the individual. Maybe you should start over in preschool & learn to share I failed "sharing". Quote
kitten Posted July 11, 2003 Posted July 11, 2003 I failed finger painting. Nobody could understand my point of view. Quote
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