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OK, here's the scenario: You're a 60 year old man hiking with a heavy backpack full of ammo. After 10 miles, you encounter Batboy: You a) Fire a warning round into the leg of another hiker, then run. b) Echo locate your ass outta there as fast as you can. c) Puff up your chest and yell "Whachoo guano do?" d) Empty your clip into the screeching little fucker's head until the surrounding virgin snow, conveniently provided by a passing film crew, runs red with his blood.

If you can't bite with the big dogs, stay on da leash, pooch.

I have dogs with guns.

Sounds like the man got angry, but did he actually threaten you? He certainly didn't harm you. You would have had no justification to do anything to him, really, much less shoot him. You do have a right to run through a park without being attacked by a dog. That's what civil suits and laws are for, both of which you could have levied on the man had you chosen to do so. Had he actually threatened you, that is a crime also. Off leash fines in Seattle are $500; enough to make any dog owner think twice about letting aggropoodle run around free again. But you chose to do none of the above, so the jerk's probably still out there, messing with joggers. Next time you have a run in with a similar prick, and it sounds like he was every bit of that, I'd suggest doing something about it legally to stop the behavior rather than endulging in Dirty Harry fantasies. Carry a cell, and be ready to lower the boom when needed.

Nope. Doesn't cut it. He successfully scared the dogs away. The dog walker 'supposedly' CHARGED (not attacked) him, unarmed. The shooter could have run away himself (his weapon obligates legally him to try that option when threatened by an unarmed assailant; ie, to avoid conflict). He could have fired another warning shot. He could have even shot his alleged assailant in the leg. But no, three rounds - THREE - right in the chest. The shooter's a murderer by any definition. He doesn't have the judgement required to carry a weapon, and should be put away for society's protect.

Had the dog walker prevailed it would have been Hemissedcide.

Any insult of manhood could have resulted in Heymisside.

What if the dog walker had threatened the shooter with a gyro? Hummouside.

I didn't see the show. Was the shooter in imminent danger of being sucked and/or fucked to death? If the two were that close maybe it was homeycide. Then again, if it happened in a Denny's, it might have been Moons Over My Hammycide.

I didn't see the show. Was the shooter in imminent danger of being sucked and/or fucked to death? If the two were that close maybe it was homeycide.

I'd go for a good, light weight pair of boots in the 2 lb weight range from a good company like Lasportiva, scarpa, or lowa. Whatever fits your feet. You don't need plastics for these climbs, and you won't use them much around here otherwise unless you're doing a winter stuff in very cold conditions. For the one or two times you do go up a volcano in unseasonably cold weather, you can always throw on a pair of insulated supergaitors. For the big glaciated moderate climbs, aluminum step in crampons are the way to go. Aluminum strap on crampons give you the added advantage of using them with hiking tennies, however. You don't need steel crampons; why lug the weight? I like my Grivels, but all the brands you mentioned offer them. The secondary row of points on 'general mountaineering' crampons are not as raked forward as radically as those designed for steeper technical climbing. In addition, general mountaineering front points tend to be horizontal, rather than vertical (like an ice axe pick).

http://www.thebackcountry.net/cart/manufacturers.php?manufacturerid=224 Check it. I think they must be listing Japanese sizing, for some reason, tho. Or maybe it's centimeters of length. Definitely not Euro sizing.

Clearly homocide. Not justifiable in any sense. The self defense excuse is complete hooey; he wasn't even attacked by the dog, nevermind the owner. Put the trigger happy coo coo clock away for a long, long time where he can do no further harm.

Sold.

They've never been ok, IMHO. Not meaning to turn this into yet another "dog vs. no-dog" thread, but why would you drag your mut up there unless you plan on (a) keeping him on a leash AT ALL TIMES, (b) blue bag his crap, and © keep him from barking at all wild animals or other people up there. Seems few ppl w/dogs are considerate of others when I've seen them on the trails. Yeah, imagine how how stressed all those snow worms and red algae get on St. Helens when Fido's not on a leash AT ALL TIMES. And the ravens. How must the ravens feel?

Moderators: Can we require a NSFABSAK (Not Suitable For Anyone But Seahawk And Kevbone) designation for threads? Thanks in advance, The Rest Of Us.

I'm reminded of the time my mother came home from the commissary with a case of Product 19 cereal that apparently was on sale. Yes, we had plenty to eat for breakfast, but....

Must fit regular climbing boots with step in ledges. Thanks.

Women eat the weak and infirm. Bitch, I eat EVERYTHING.

Having stated the above...personally? I think we're all gonna fry in a nuclear holocaust. I'm still going to buy new ice climbing boots, though.

Ironic, but true. Altruism is more a fantasy than a reality. I don't agree here. Pride in delivering excellence to others and care for one's community is a proven formula for making the most successful butcher, baker, or candlestick maker. Sure, rapacious businesses can and do thrive, particularly if they are so large that they can manipulate governments, but there are far more businesses who are not rapacious, do not willfully abuse their employees, and produce excellence products, which are thriving. Altruism, and the cooperative spirit it requires, is a fundamental component of self actualization; a need which evolution has implanted in humans just as surely as the need for food, sex, and a warm place to take a dump. This is the fundamental principle that trumps the pro business/anti government simpletons who continuously try to force fit their robotic formulas to explain and predict human behavior. In the end, humans are always better and more creative than the sea monkeys they've base their models on. If altruism were not a fundamental component of the human psyche, why would we have the groundswell of local, municipal, and statewide actions to reduce carbon emissions in the face of complete inaction at the federal level? Why are businesses and households 'going green' and becoming carbon neutral? The jury is still way out on whether or not this makes financial sense from an individual's standpoint, yet the tide is defininitely flowing in the green direction. In nature, as resources become more scarce, cooperation (always present in any biosphere) becomes more important than competition. So called 'socialist' policies, or those that require society wide cooperation, will increasingly become more important to human survival as a warming earth reduces what humans have evolved to consume if violent competition is to be avoided.

Even more so if the scientist or catholic priest is hot.

Gonna break these chains around me Gonna learn to fly again May be hard, may be hard But I'll do it When I'm back on my feet again Soon these tears will all be dryin' Soon these eyes will see the sun Might take time, might take time But I'll see it When I'm back on my feet again When I'm back on my feet again I'll walk proud down this street again And they'll all look at me again And they'll see that I'm strong Gonna hear the children laughing Gonna hear the voices sing Won't be long, won't be long Till I hear them When I'm back on my feet again

I'd better execute my first naked winter ascent of Hood this week before the law passes.

Because it (my clothing) isn't there.