RocNoggin

why?

if you know why and you are here, then why dont you tell us?

perhaps, but none the less, I still think the major issue regarding fault in a lawsuit is intent.

I thought Porto Escondido was the place for big waves in Mexico? not too long ago someone posted about climbing on the beaches there...go back through some recent posts, this month I believe, and you should be able to find some climbing information regarding the beaches on the west coast. have you climbed any of the volcanos down there? look in the "climbing partners" section, I thought someone was looking for partners to rock climb in Potero or whatever that canyon is called.

I know that this may be bit if symantics but the NPS didnt PUMP sewage into the cracks. it had a holding tank OVERFLOW. I think there is a big difference between the two, not only liquid volumes but also intent, and I think that is really the key issue here, the NPS didnt intend to have extra fluid in the cracks, it was an accident. and we all know that accidents happen in climbing.

I have never used a B-52 but I love my Reverso.

cool cams! nice link, thanks! :-) rbwen, when are you thinking about going down? it has been a couple of years since I was there and I cant wait to get back down there again!

what are the rules regarding snowmobiling in the Park? I didnt know that you could use them. is it OK as long as you stay on the roads?

WC, it looks like we are skiing tonight so I am out for this evening. are you still interested in Friday?

oh, that gate...I guess I am just so used to using the upper lot I forgot all about the gate to the White Salmon Lodge. whenever I have gone into the BC from the ski area I have always started from the upper area, including the time I started up the Arm, I just never made it as far as I wanted to go, hence the reason I am interested in heading up the Arm all the way to shuksan. thanks for posting that link BTW, that was a great TR and nice photos.

I would love to join you then, when and where?

I followed your link to get some information about the wall and couldnt find anything. I looked all over and didnt find anything about a climbing wall.

if you used the combo to get up the road and got caught what do you think they would do? or what could they do?

Clintoris, what dates do you have available for the climb?

I have to admit that I have climbed on GPA since this incident. we took our chances and got away with it, but dont we take our chances everytime we climb? like it was said before, there is so much more water flowing into those cracks from rain and snowmelt than an overflowing holding tank, hard to fault the Park on this one. rockfall is a natural process that we, as climbers, will always have to contend with.

where is the O&T and what time?

does anyone have any strap-on crampons and ice tools that I could borrow?

I might be able to come up with an extra one for you to use, although your dates dont really work too well for me this week. Wed I might be heading up to the Pass for a little moonlight/headlamp skiing and skinning and on Fri I will likely be heading back to Oly. I will let you know if Wed falls through, its not a sure thing yet, and if I can go to Oly late on Fri then that night might still work. I will keep in touch, cheers!

if you are doing an overnight trip it doesnt really matter if they lock the gate as you wont be leaving. and what gate by the way? I have never seen a gate up there. during the ski season there a campers and cars overnight in the uppermost parking lot all the time, and you dont need a sno-park permit that I know of because the lot isnt maintained by the State Parks system. I have wanted to ski the Arm for a long time too, let me know how it goes. I will be up there in the resort during that time period, I will keep an eye open for you! have fun! I have skied south of the White Pass area only as far as the Hogsback. easy to get that far and nice lines to ski in that area, a bit short, but fun. getting all the way out to Goat Rocks from there looks fun.

how far up the road to the trailhead were you able to drive? what were the ski conditions like? great job on the route, nice pics too! thanks for posting. :-)

SV, did you see the earlier post of someone wanting to do the Baker trip around the 20-23? how do those dates work for you?

how about a little practice tonight? or sometime next week?

and just how much booze woud it take to get you to let us bury you in the wet sand in Dec?

Cory looks like we have a four people going so far and we are looking at doing a ski route, yet to be determinded. send me your email address so I can keep you in the loop and get you connected to everyone else and also your route choice(s). talk to you later, cheers, Brian :-)

EE and WC you guys are both out by Alki right? anybody else? I am usually out that way too so are you guys interested in doing some beacon work some evening on Alki Beach? wrap them in plastic or something link that...