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Justo how did you finish the climb after leaving the bowl at the base of the Fin?

Pashastin...rehab central

Heard the problem with DNR was all the rocks the boys trundled into the locals backyards...unintentional of course. Makes me think the rock quality should make good training for Hungabee Two beautiful aretes up there though.

Lots of water & goo during and later, water, advil, light workouts and message. If it is hard for you, you will be sore.

OK I can swallow this...very nice guide and very well done. This year is a good time to buy one...I did

No. If the conditios are bad in the basin either approach is going to be as well. Like the man said...check the conditions on site and in person after you have logged on and read the updates at home. If you don't know how to do that get the education to do so.

I'll take them. Where are you? I am in Issaquah. PM sent.

Cat fight on line...great. Even Vantage in Dec is gonna be better than this

I have a unworn red one from NF if you are interested. It is either a LG or EXL. I'll have to look.

Decent alpine tools. I finally took mine to 2nd Ascent and pawned them off there last winter. They were selling them for $60. each. Kept the Chacal. When he mentioned vintage I was hoping for a Zero and bamboo You can but new set of C/M Aztars delivered for $300 and Grivel Light wings for $280. All with picks that are still available

OK, let me ask. Vintage? These things have fiberglass handles and do they use the picks you have posted?

Lucky, I owe you an apology. Seems like you have done everthing that the KCSO has requested. Reports, phone ins, and even gone to the effort of signage. Then in September another incident and report. All for nothing! The report and interview turned into he said/she said and the BGs walked. There is nothing of substance being done from my review. But it isn't from lack of interest.

Here is the facts jack... Any crime, including having your car prowled needs to be reported if you actually want to do something about it. I read somewhere, Lucky, that you offer your expert opinion to others on whether or not their cars have been recently. Stealing credit cards #s might be a victimless crime. After all the bank pays it when or if the fake charges are founds weeks or months later. "Victimless crime" is why this has continued. Takes about as long to report this stuff as it does to cruise this web site once a day. Hard to believe but the KCSO has a some what limited coverage over much of King County. No one has been hurt (yet) and very few have been attentive enough to actually file incident reports. But just like climbing you can take some responsibility on yourself if you want to solve the problem. If you haven't filed 6 incident reports....which can all be done over the phone then you aren't willing to do much. With very few victims willing to express their distain you won't be seeing KCSO in a big hurry to get to a car prowl in progress 10 miles from no where. Them is the facts jack............

Thanks to those that responsed on part 1. I just saw all the private messages and will get back to you asap. More importantly we need anyone who has been a victim at any skiing/climbing/ hiking area parking lot in the last 3 years to file a report if you haven't already. That is easily done via the phone @ KCSO Com center 206 296 3311 or by dialing 911 and getting into that program. Just let them know where it happened, when it happened, who was involved and anything else they ask. Without that data there is no crime. Please make an effort to get anyone who has been a victim now or in the past 3 years to file a report. The report that was filed in September, case number, 03-290856 has indeed been investigated. No charges have been forth coming...not enough evidence was my take on it. That may not be entirely correct. But my suggestion is we need to do more to have this followed through on. A flood of victim reports to KCSO would be a great start.

No shots were fired past the electronic one over the bow of the BGs. I had a meeting with local media late last week. A few of us showed up in North Bend. I met with others earlier. Meeting early this week with KCSO. Further progress will not be posted on the BBS for all the obvious reasons. Anyone interested in being involved can contact me directly. At this point we are looking for man/woman power for future leg work but nothing happening till after the Holidays.

"Talking smack is not the way to get people involved, you dipshit. Good luck." Best part about any thread made here is few can follow up on their comments. No different than any other Internet forum. Even fewer have the stones to do something about what has been happening in their own community, any community. I have been out of serious climbing for 10 years or more. I'm out of shape and fat but I have no tolerence for theives and zero for bs. I actually though some of the local climbers, that are involved, would have been pro-active or at the very least be willing to be pro-active and put a stop to the silliness at Exit 38. But what I have seen on this thread is a bunch of sheep or worse yet some wanker that and thinks I have talked smack to him Maybe someone will loan me a Exit 38 guide and I can look you up personally Lucky, so you don't have to loose a day's work. You know where I will be in the morning if you are offended. Still like to pick your brain since you have actually seen this group four different times in action. Pretty much what has been said, is what I thought would be the response here. Dissappointing because I actually thought the climbing community might be willing to take some responsibilty for ourselves. But that hasn't changed even if times have so I shouldn't be so surprized. So if I talked a little smack and dared any of you to get off your ass and do something about other climbers being ripped off, or heaven forbid that it might actually happen to you, too bad. The job will get done either way. My phone and email are listed and I will happily include anyone that wants to be involved. But I'm not a baby sitter or out to win a personality contest

OK, you can paint me for not reading the entire post it is deserved .

I am interested, send me a private email with contact info and tent's age and condition.

Dudette, I am not hard to check out, try IDAHO ROCK, Vantage, ROCKY MOUNTAINS SOUTH, CLIMBING or MOUNTAIN. But exit 38? It actually has a guide book, some how I have missed buying one, ya Wanker. The final plan would involve both the press and local LE. King County S.O. is responsible for the parking area. I have been in contact with them and will continue those conversations. LE involvement is more important than the press, which BTW has already committed to coverage. Anyone cares to show I'll be at the Starbucks by the Safeway Sat morning 10AM in North Bend just east of the outlet stores.

Bug is in How about 10AM, Saturday in North Bend. Just name a place. Bring your friends and call it a social event.

Sure would be easy enough to be driving a new car every month and never have to buy climbing gear again. Not my style though. I would rather just walk up and bitch slap a few of the wankers here in person, take their gear and then, casually, walk away. The typical reaction? Hell, Lucky has seen them 4 fuc....... times and practically knows them all by name. But now he is too busy to help till spring. But then he was too busy last spring to do anything more than write about it. I posted my email and phone number to tell anyone that wants to be involved I am real. Takes 2 seconds to check me out. I can also guarantee local TV involvement, and relative safety for those who want to be a part of this. BTW do you think these guys go into hibernation all winter? If you ski, showshoe or use the snow park system you are at risk.

Oh, ya realllllly out there Good intel though thanks. Like I said, a phone call would help. Feel free to just use your screen name...since it is so risky.

Lucky, We have the ability and know how to solve the problem with the initial group. We need more info and more bodies to do it right. Your help would be invaluable. Can you meet this weekend locally?

What does it take for someone like you to get involved Dustin? You have to be ripped off first? When that does happen I suspect you'll do nothing again and make another fiable attempt to explain away your words. Either you have a poor command of the English lauguage or you're an ......... never mind it isn't worth it. I am more than happy to host a meeting in North Bend over any weekend. Easy enough to sort out who belongs to the group and who doesn't. It aint rocket science guys. You think the thugs are? They just have to be a tiny bit braver and more willing that the typical CC keyboad groupie. At this point that seems pretty easy and makes you guys easy prey. I bet they laugh their asses off while spending your money, thinking American climbers are a bunch of putzs. From the comments here, they have most of you pegged. At the moment their are 4 of us willing. We just need more people. How about a get together this weekend.

This thread is pretty funny. Too funnny in fact. Just like the rest of the world the majority here like to talk about it or ask someone else to take responsibility for them. You want a rescue when it snows, some one to haul you off a wall when you fall and get hurt. If you have done those things for others you know the risk you ran helping them. But again unlike a climber who claims to be bold and self sufficient in the bar and hangs out at the local top ropes....most aren't willing, let alone able, to back up their speil here. May be you don't think you have the abilities to keep yourself or others from being victims. Maybe you just don't give a shit because it is exit 38 or you haven't been hit yet. Hell, may be you are scared of these guys (for good reason IMO) But the fact is, any half dozen teen girls, that have that mental ability to send a decent rock route have the ability to stand up to thugs. BTDT One (just one) of you emailed me to ask what I had planned. Be happy to discuss it in person but not on email or the Internet.... for those that haven't a clue they call that operational security. Wouldn't be surprised if your theives aren't on line here. I would be if you were my victims. Bottom line, stop bitching about being a victim and having your collective asses kicked and fight back. Have a meeting, make a plan and follow through. The news media needs to be a part of it but not in the ways mentioned here. I was instrumental, because of my contacts, getting something done about the guys thugged in Squamish. Easy enough to do again but this situation needs a little different approach IMO before that option is played. You really want to do something, get together in person, soon, and I'll tell you how. Or take the other option and let someone else clean up "OUR" mess. I personally think the climbing at Exit 38 sucks. I have zero spare time and I sure ass hell don't want to get involved with a bunch of wangers (which is how most come across here) But I am willing to take the time, put in the effort and solve the problem...simply because I can ( just as you CAN) and most importantly it pisses me off that guys get away with this kind of shit.