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I think stefan has shut up for now. This is an issue that is beyond superficial discussion at this point. We might as well be debating bolts. Except this has a more devastating and personal outcome. Live and learn and give of yourself where needed. Some serious idiots, you make the call: WARNING: Not for the faint of heart aka: why some needed to be banned

That bolted "thing" just right of Black Track.

But when opportunity knocks...

I can sort of see your point, yes I see rap slings as garbage. I guess what the difference is that rap slings are not meant to be permenant where a bolt is. Maybe I am wrong on this. Yes when it was place that bolt was supposed to be reliable. Also yes if it was necessary for the route to be safe and the first assentionist and/or the community wanted it replaced, by all means replace it. In this case we have a bolt that is not necessary maybe because modern gear or maybe like Dru said it was placed by someone trying to bail. I don't agree just because something is suspect it should be removed, whether or not it is used is up for the person climbing the route to decide. That is one of the thing like about climbing, engineering of a safe route. What should we do, remove all suspect items, bolts and pins or how about those expando flakes or the blocks that seem to somehow magically stay on the cliff just to make the route safe? That does not make sense to me.

Yup, odds are good it was done in impeccable style and the challenge the route has to offer should remain intact. I definitely think retro bolting would be a step backward.

You forget the importance of brain capacity

Going undercover. Alot of summits now have a Geocache someplace on or near the summit. Alot more difficult to find but a record of sorts non the less.

Perfectly acceptable, hes dead, who cares. Bolt and chip/glue as you feel is needed. Seriously.

I have a retro experience of Cactus Ed "The Brave Cowboy" and Carlos "A separate reality" on the burner at the moment.

Obsidian...the only true choice.

The last 15 years, this man has brought the world to the masses, quality and honest programming. I just got his Himalaya, BRAVO! Michael Palin

Can we assume that you really arent in Anchorage, Alaska then?

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AHA! It's Frank Redmond!! WTF is Pope now that I need him?

Back in the late 80's there were a plethora of "GREEN RIVER WATERSHED: No trespassing!" signs, but after conferring with the North Bend ranger station we deemed it open range. I still have one of those warning signs, LOL hung in my bathroom for a LONG time.

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Server not found YAWN...another in a series of lie's from the land of 10k lakes

Unfortunately times they are a changing. The quality and respect found in the mindset of our generation has been forsaken for the greed and superficial personification of immediate gratification of the new generation. Eric, lets toast a glass to what was and brace ourselves to the new world of oblivious ignorance.

Ack, makes my ass hurt just looking at him.