klenke

The best part was when Kerry picked up his podium and tossed it at Bush. Ah, it was classic. You should have seen it! Will: whatever, dude.

Both candidates flubbed words. You would too under such a spotlight. It meant nothing to me. However, that "messed mixages" part did made me snicker. He did correct himself though, and that's what's important. Those deer-in-the-headlight pauses from Double-pugh were funny too. All that said, I can't really say who won it. Both had their good moments and their bad moments. I suppose if I added up the score for every question response and rebuttal I could determine who "won" but overall I would call it a tie. But that's just me. Or more to the point, neither swayed me from my intended Pax for Prez write-in vote.

Now now, Squiddicals, that wasn't the attitude you were displaying last night. Is the psychology brainwashing residue finally evaporating from the surface of your gray matter? The religious right worries me in all countries. But the religious wrong worries me more.

I'm with Stefan on this one. I am quite sure a fast, competent party could climb Jack car-to-car in a day from the Little Jack side. 15-17 hours round-trip. When Sergio & I did Jack from our camp atop Little Jack, we did it round-trip camp-to-camp in 12 hours. However, due to route-finding issues (issues which could be mitigated with careful studying of the shortcut Zigzag Route we took), we lost about 2 hours. So say 10 hours round-trip Little Jack-to-Little Jack + 3 hours getting up to Little Jack and 3 hours descending back to the car from Little Jack = 16 hours. That said, our camp atop Little Jack was one of the best camps in my memory. Very scenic. Great views. Great sunset. Nice weather.

So bolt bitching is nitpicking while somehow complaining about the piddly holes left in the ground by trekking poles is not. Seems like ya'ought practice whatcha preach,...ya wanker puff man.

I plan on doing my own "Enchantment Traverse" on Sunday. I will be coming from Aasgard Pass and will first climb over the SW Summit on my way to the NE Summit highpoint. Anyone is welcome to join me but don't expect me to wait for slow asses.

Geez, what are they brainwashing you with in the Psychology Department, Squiddles?

j_b: Just recalculate the numbers based on weighted averages if you care that much. I'd do this for you but I've got to run to drink . Moreover, what will you have to say for yourself if the next Gallup go-round has a distinct "12%" bias toward the Democrat side?

Well I searched through all of Gotter's recent posts and I didn't see anything malicious. In fact, I didn't see anything at all interesting. So maybe he got banned for something he said in a PM. Whatever it was that got you banned, gotterdammerung, feel free to send me an email (klenke [at] comcast [dot] net) telling why it was you were banned. I'll post it. I personally would like to know what gets some people banned here and not others who may or may not say the same types of things.

No, put it back in immediately!

What a bunch of wankers! I pulled those numbers out of my ass. I wasn't trying to be accurate.

I'll be hopping in with my fake, furry long ears on. No I won't. Gary, I'll buy you a beer if you wear those green & black striped tights to pub club. You can't wear anything over the top of them, though, except shorts.

As the Horsecock Turns... One Horsecock to Live... All My Horsecock... General Horsecockital... Guiding Horsecock... The Bold and the Horsecockiful... The Horsecock and the Restless... I make no judgments [yet] but here are gotterdamerung's last posts: Click Here (Granted, it may not have been something he said in a post that got him in trouble.)

I got a $500 check in the mail. Didn't you get one? I know mattp did too. I guess you were out of that loop, Pax. Oh, and concerning the number of people at staging areas, Primal Quest didn't have hordes at Illabot Peak but that might depend on how many people make a horde. Let's see, 12 people make a crowd; 5 crowds make a horde; therefore 60 people make a horde. There were only 20 in the area by my unofficial count, so I think they were 3 crowds + 4 people short of a horde.

I created a page for Illabot Peaks on summitpost. Click here if you want to see what the mountain looks like.

Thanks, Michael. That's the route I'll probably do when I commit to Constance, so I appreciate the report.

That it does. Interesting. (My complex way still works, though, if any of you wants to take a long path through a dark wood.)

Yeah, WTFudge am I doing here staring at electrons stimulating a screen. I should be out wasting my knees instead.

Hmmm, I could smell the fug of bullshit fuming out of my computer before I even turned it on this morning. I finally located the source and it is this thread.

Goodnight, Nina! What exactly were you trying to throw out there? The M's are out of town tomorrow so no problems there.

I'm also having the same problem but have been able to get around it in the following complex fashion: 1. On the specific gallery page where the image in question is shown, I go to View --> Source (in IE) and the source code pops up. 2. I do a search within the pop up Word Pad for ".jpg" which leads the cursor to the image name--the one used to link to in a post. 3. I highlight the URL and transfer it to the post.

Even if it's fake it's still funny.

Actually, boys, I do have other climbing lists. Guye Peak has such a short approach it's a no-brainer when you're looking for something quick and dirty. If you're comfortable doing a mid-fifth traverse lead, then the Improbable Traverse is for you. The 5.7 rating is only for one move. It seemed much more enthralling than Das Toof. Here are some pics: Annotated view of the approach taken from the first belay. You basically get to the top of the talus basin where it transitions to a talus gully. The talus eventually turns to solid but loose rock, which eventually tips up to Class 4. You pretty much have to free-climb this because there's no pro. Once atop that, you head left on either a lower or upper ramp. Both ramps are Class 3. The lower ramp eventually ends at some trees where you have to do a Class 4 transition to the upper ramp. The upper ramp is then taken to its top where it also ends at trees. A few chimpanzee moves gets one to the first belay from one of these trees. Here's Tony at the first belay area wondering whether or not we'd make use of the two cow bells he brought: This is the short Class 4 traverse pitch (about 70 ft long) to get to Lunch Ledge, which is out of sight around a corner: Tony beginning the Improbable Traverse pitch. At this time we figured we were at Lunch Ledge (three-ring rap station here) but we couldn't tell where the improbable part was. The variations left and right of the overhang at the top of the picture looked like a good choice from afar but they were harder than Tony liked so he backed off: Tony about a quarter of the way across the Improbable Traverse pitch. In actuality he hasn't quite got to the improbable part that defines the pitch. Where he is at in this picture is no harder than 5.4: Tony out at the 5.7 crux move. It's only one move--an awkward balance step up. Fortunately there are two knife blade pitons here to make things a little safer. The crux is at about halfway across the pitch: Tony nearing the end of the Improbable Traverse. Just to his right is a short 5.5 downclimb leading to another ledge that terminates at the high-angle ramp. The short downclimb is more dangerous for the follower because he has to clean the pro, leaving nothing behind and above him if he should fall: A 50m rope may not complete this pitch all the way from Lunch Ledge to the high-angle ramp. Our 60m rope had about 20 feet left. The high-angle ramp is Class 3. I will provide more pictures next week for the parts of the climb above the ramp.

The "individual" was me, jordop. Picture taken from Damnation Peak last winter. It is West Face of Thornton. Just as you were with this picture, I was impressed with this face. I was thinking more along the lines of a summer rock climb. Colin may be thinking winter. Either one is doable. Go up Damnation Creek overgrown road (not so bad) to base of rock (about 3-4 hours), climb to top, then descend to Thornton Lakes, then back along trail to trailhead for a nice loop. The Damnation Creek Road cuts off from Thornton Lakes Road a couple miles before the end, so you'd want a bike probably. Or, you could run the long South Ridge all the way back to the Damnation Creek Road junction. A long way.

I thought that was quite witty there, Cavey.