Alex Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 for those interested, Alpinist 1 is on store shelves and I found it worth buying. Very reminiscent of Mountain, inspiring, not a lot of advertising, dedicated to alpine (not rock or sporto or the Colorado and Yosemite scene like other rags seem to be). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ade Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 Subscribe! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 If its "dedicated to alpine" I have to wonder why the big feature on (yawn) desert spire climbing. Or the fiction piece about some aging tradster out with his buddy. Or the recycled Kennan Harvey photos. Â I also disliked the fact that they had Tami Knight write and had someone else (Jeremy Collins, yawn) do the art! What the , don't they understand that Tami's CARTOONS are her main strength???? Â And there were a lot of typos and minor errors just like when Beckwith ran the AAJ. Â But I still bought a copy and have reread it several times! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dberdinka Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 desert spires = yawn ??!!???? Â Go climb some Dru. It's a hell of a lot more like alpine climbing then you might imagine! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 Desert spires are a type of cragging albeit one that gets you to the summit. I have climbed a few. I think they are sufficiently covered by the current climbing mags and there is no need for Alpinist to do so too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texplorer Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 Can you find this mag at the major bookstores or should I head to a local gear shop? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted January 13, 2003 Author Share Posted January 13, 2003 tex, I found it at Barnes and Noble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Flash_Amazing Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 It does seem a little, uh, counterintuitive that a magazine called 'Alpinist' would do an article on desert spire climbing. Or has the definition of "alpine" recently been expanded to include hot, sandy lowlands? Â Anyway, whatever, Dr. Flash Amazing won't pick up a copy 'til they change their name to 'Sportist' and alter their content accordingly ("How to Yard on Chipped Monos All Day and Not Twang Your Tendons" or "Twenty Classic Clip-ups Within Spittin' Distance of the Road" etc.). Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt.Caveman Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 I dont think I would want or expect a bunch of desert towers to be featured in an alpine climber magazine. Although the routes can be undoubtedly difficult they don't fall into that category. That's what is called sub alpine. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freeclimb9 Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 Antarctica is a desert. There are spires in Queen Maud land. Are they not alpine? Doesn't "alpine" refer to a style as well as a type of ecological zone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt.Caveman Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 Well my impression is that it is defined as above the tree line..... Let's argue and debate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Flash_Amazing Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 al·pin·ism also Al·pin·ism (lp-nzm) n. Mountain climbing, especially in the Alps.  alpin·ist n.   al·pine (lpn) adj. Of, relating to, or characteristic of the Alps or their inhabitants. Of or relating to high mountains. Biology. Living or growing on mountains above the timberline: alpine plants. Sports. Intended for or concerned with mountaineering. Of or relating to competitive downhill racing and slalom skiing events. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwayner Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 "Hey! Me and my buddiez are gonna start a klimbing magazeen for kidz called "Kraggin' Korral"! Send us $5 and we promiss not two right anything about bolders and other stuf on the ground. Only big mountain stuff. Send us $5 befor my voice changes and we start spending all of our time and money bying C.D.s and listening to crap music." sign, Little Rheinhold, master of all alpanizm. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sayjay Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 so if alpine climbing has to be at high altitude, where does that leave climbs like those in patagonia? sure wouldn't call them crags!... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freeclimb9 Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 Let's argue and debate. Screw that. Let's pursue ever diverging topics --with only a semblance of addressing other's arguements-- while pumping up the volume on insults. eg. "Alpine" is a crunchy stereo system, but you're so fat, your cereal bowl has a life guard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Flash_Amazing Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 It doesn't say "high altitude," it says "high mountains," presumably relative to lowlands. Anyway, that came from www.dictionary.com; DFA didn't write it. If you got beef with the definition, fire them an e-mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erik Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 dats da shit! Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 Screw that. Let's pursue ever diverging topics --with only a semblance of addressing other's arguements-- while pumping up the volume on insults. eg. "Alpine" is a crunchy stereo system, but you're so fat, your cereal bowl has a life guard. I heard that a condom was a large apartment complex. Any truth to that rumor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 large apartment complex  not for your pipe cleaner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freeclimb9 Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 Fill in the blank: Hotdogs are just like __________. Nothing but lips and assholes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 The only difference between a desert spire and an adjacent cliff of say, Wingate sandstone, is that the spire has a much smaller diameter. American desert spires, with only few exceptions, are cragging, not alpine. The same goes for the sandstone in Wadi Rum and so on. Antarctica is glaciated etc. so Id call those alpine. Ditto Patagonian spires. Has nothing to do with the height of the mts. in question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 Iain, yo so stupid you took an IQ test and the score was LOL Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt.Caveman Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 Re- so if alpine climbing has to be at high altitude, where does that leave climbs like those in patagonia? sure wouldn't call them crags!... ********************************************** Â I dont call them crags. I guess that most wouldnt either. Â I just dont think desert towers are in the same category. Furthermore I think that with the number of mountains and ranges available to the editors they should have no problem finding some peaks to write about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COL._Von_Spanker Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 (edited) Deleted due to redundacy. Â Â Â Edited January 13, 2003 by COL._Von_Spanker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sayjay Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 Cavey said: "I dont call them crags. I guess that most wouldn't either. yeah, didn't think you would, that was my point  i think dru's got it closest... really it's some combination of only somewhat objectively-defined combination of factors that have to do with the conditions you'll have to deal with when on the climb...  but i agree, i wouldn't put desert spires in this category- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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