ivan Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 what the fuck is wrong w/ the 83% of you who DON'T? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobo Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 I firmly believe that I'm pulling my share of the plow, here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Abstainers in Western Countries  31% of Americans abstain...not sure whether than include babies and stuff.  America has, by far, the highest abstention rate in the Western Countries.  We also consume the highest amount per capita of illicit drugs.  LOL  The Aussies and Kiwis smoke the most weed, however. They are also the happiest people on earth.  Hmmmmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted January 10, 2012 Author Share Posted January 10, 2012 the aussies also being famous teetotalers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Frieh Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Alcohol suppresses fat metabolism. Whether calories from alcohol replace dietary calories or are added to normal caloric intake, alcohol suppresses fat metabolism by up to 30%.  Alcohol occupies the liver so estrogen (produced in the body to balance testosterone production) cannot be processed so the two hormones "negate" each other.  Alcohol depresses testosterone secretion. Exercise prior to alcohol intake can make the negative effects on testosterone secretion last longer by "direct inhibition at the testicular level."  Alcohol increases secretion of cortisol, which is catabolic. This may be one factor in alcohol-induced testosterone depression. Increased cortisol and decreased testosterone lasts up to 24 hours after drinking alcohol.  Alcohol can depress nighttime HGH secretion by up to 70% (due to sleep disruption)  Alcohol interferes with post-exercise glycogen synthesis  Alcohol increases calcium excretion, which may reduce bone density, and magnesium, a mineral essential to energy production  Alcohol is an appetizer, and impairs judgment so bad food choices are often made in the presence of alcohol  Alcohol irritates the GI tract and this may have a negative effect on nutrient absorption  Alcohol has a diuretic effect, so it is dehydrating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted January 10, 2012 Author Share Posted January 10, 2012 Abstainers in Western Countries ha! Â "Similarly, the more educated people are in the US, the more likely they are to drink" Â it almost like smart folks see how forked the whole world is and must needs intoxicate themselves to forget? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobo Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 ...it almost like smart folks see how forked the whole world is and must needs intoxicate themselves to forget? That would be where I fit in... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billcoe Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Thanks for that heads up John. I didn't know some of that. More info here along that line: http://www.uhs.uga.edu/aod/athletic-performance.html    The other side of the coin for middle age women: http://www.myhealthnewsdaily.com/1681-grow-old-gracefully-tips.html  "For middle-age women, having one alcoholic drink a day may improve health and pave the way to a long life, a new study shows. Research this month from the Harvard School of Public Health included a look at the Nurses' Health Study, which has been ongoing since 1976 and involves 121,700 women nurses. Researchers examined the health status of the 13,984 women in the study who lived to be 70 or older.  The results showed that women who had an occasional drink, up to one per day, of any alcoholic beverage during middle age had better overall health when they grew older than women who did not drink at all, those who consumed more than two drinks a day, and those who had four drinks or more at one time.  The researchers defined good overall health as having no major chronic diseases such as heart disease or diabetes and no major cognitive and physical impairment or mental health limitations. The study authors said such health leads to "successful aging."  Which may be tied to an earlier tip in the article on maintaining an optimistic outlook... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Alcohol suppresses fat metabolism. Whether calories from alcohol replace dietary calories or are added to normal caloric intake, alcohol suppresses fat metabolism by up to 30%. Alcohol occupies the liver so estrogen (produced in the body to balance testosterone production) cannot be processed so the two hormones "negate" each other.  Alcohol depresses testosterone secretion. Exercise prior to alcohol intake can make the negative effects on testosterone secretion last longer by "direct inhibition at the testicular level."  Alcohol increases secretion of cortisol, which is catabolic. This may be one factor in alcohol-induced testosterone depression. Increased cortisol and decreased testosterone lasts up to 24 hours after drinking alcohol.  Alcohol can depress nighttime HGH secretion by up to 70% (due to sleep disruption)  Alcohol interferes with post-exercise glycogen synthesis  Alcohol increases calcium excretion, which may reduce bone density, and magnesium, a mineral essential to energy production  Alcohol is an appetizer, and impairs judgment so bad food choices are often made in the presence of alcohol  Alcohol irritates the GI tract and this may have a negative effect on nutrient absorption  Alcohol has a diuretic effect, so it is dehydrating.  What amount is required for all these effects to occur? 1 drink a day? 2? More? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Alcohol can get an ugly person laid...as long as the other person's the one drinking it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted January 10, 2012 Author Share Posted January 10, 2012 Alcohol suppresses fat metabolism. Whether calories from alcohol replace dietary calories or are added to normal caloric intake, alcohol suppresses fat metabolism by up to 30%. Alcohol occupies the liver so estrogen (produced in the body to balance testosterone production) cannot be processed so the two hormones "negate" each other.  Alcohol depresses testosterone secretion. Exercise prior to alcohol intake can make the negative effects on testosterone secretion last longer by "direct inhibition at the testicular level."  Alcohol increases secretion of cortisol, which is catabolic. This may be one factor in alcohol-induced testosterone depression. Increased cortisol and decreased testosterone lasts up to 24 hours after drinking alcohol.  Alcohol can depress nighttime HGH secretion by up to 70% (due to sleep disruption)  Alcohol interferes with post-exercise glycogen synthesis  Alcohol increases calcium excretion, which may reduce bone density, and magnesium, a mineral essential to energy production  Alcohol is an appetizer, and impairs judgment so bad food choices are often made in the presence of alcohol  Alcohol irritates the GI tract and this may have a negative effect on nutrient absorption  Alcohol has a diuretic effect, so it is dehydrating.  clearly jesus wasn't a fan of such psuedo-science  besides, who doesn't enjoy pissing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 (edited) I think we'll find out eventually that alcohol does not lead to better aging - and that current results are due to correlation without causality. Â I think we'll also discover that this abstainer makes the best fucking martinis and mai tais in the universe. Â One thing about booze - its got a shitload of empty calories, and, because you drink them down, your don't get 'full'. Â For anyone over 40 who wants to maintain or lose weight, reducing or eliminating booze is easiest and most effective change they can make. The hard part for me was sorting through all the crap leading up to the decision. Once it was made, no problem. Â Its a myth that abstaining somehow erodes quality of life. I found alcohol dulling, boring, and painful. My experience has been nothing but positive. Definitely one of the best things I ever did. Â Although I am an ordained minister now, that's enough preaching. Just my experience. YMMV. Edited January 10, 2012 by tvashtarkatena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobo Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Alcohol can get an ugly person laid...as long as the other person's the one drinking it. I can vouch for that. From both sides of the glass... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted January 10, 2012 Author Share Posted January 10, 2012 i'm pretty certain i can't read student essays and NOT need solace in a class of wine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobo Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 ...student essays... ...a class of wine Freudian slip...?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted January 11, 2012 Author Share Posted January 11, 2012 goddammit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 ...student essays... ...a class of wine Freudian slip...?? Â "a class of whine" would have been even funnier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 I only drink classy wine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 The hard part for me was sorting through all the crap leading up to the decision. Once it was made, no problem. Â Care to elaborate on "the crap"? Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobo Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 I only drink Canadian plonk. Fixt it fer ya. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete_H Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Alcohol suppresses fat metabolism. Whether calories from alcohol replace dietary calories or are added to normal caloric intake, alcohol suppresses fat metabolism by up to 30%. Alcohol occupies the liver so estrogen (produced in the body to balance testosterone production) cannot be processed so the two hormones "negate" each other.  Alcohol depresses testosterone secretion. Exercise prior to alcohol intake can make the negative effects on testosterone secretion last longer by "direct inhibition at the testicular level."  Alcohol increases secretion of cortisol, which is catabolic. This may be one factor in alcohol-induced testosterone depression. Increased cortisol and decreased testosterone lasts up to 24 hours after drinking alcohol.  Alcohol can depress nighttime HGH secretion by up to 70% (due to sleep disruption)  Alcohol interferes with post-exercise glycogen synthesis  Alcohol increases calcium excretion, which may reduce bone density, and magnesium, a mineral essential to energy production  Alcohol is an appetizer, and impairs judgment so bad food choices are often made in the presence of alcohol  Alcohol irritates the GI tract and this may have a negative effect on nutrient absorption  Alcohol has a diuretic effect, so it is dehydrating.  Jesus, John. Next thing you're going to be telling me that masturbation is bad for you too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobo Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Jesus, John. Next thing you're going to be telling me that masturbation is bad for you too. Yah, that shit'll make you go blind! BONK! Goddammit, who moved the furniture...?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayB Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Alcohol suppresses fat metabolism. Whether calories from alcohol replace dietary calories or are added to normal caloric intake, alcohol suppresses fat metabolism by up to 30%. Alcohol occupies the liver so estrogen (produced in the body to balance testosterone production) cannot be processed so the two hormones "negate" each other.  Alcohol depresses testosterone secretion. Exercise prior to alcohol intake can make the negative effects on testosterone secretion last longer by "direct inhibition at the testicular level."  Alcohol increases secretion of cortisol, which is catabolic. This may be one factor in alcohol-induced testosterone depression. Increased cortisol and decreased testosterone lasts up to 24 hours after drinking alcohol.  Alcohol can depress nighttime HGH secretion by up to 70% (due to sleep disruption)  Alcohol interferes with post-exercise glycogen synthesis  Alcohol increases calcium excretion, which may reduce bone density, and magnesium, a mineral essential to energy production  Alcohol is an appetizer, and impairs judgment so bad food choices are often made in the presence of alcohol  Alcohol irritates the GI tract and this may have a negative effect on nutrient absorption  Alcohol has a diuretic effect, so it is dehydrating.  What amount is required for all these effects to occur? 1 drink a day? 2? More?  Exactly - the least the original author could do is post a titration curve that shows how much exercise is required to negate each unit of alcohol.    Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denalidave Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Alcohol suppresses fat metabolism. Whether calories from alcohol replace dietary calories or are added to normal caloric intake, alcohol suppresses fat metabolism by up to 30%. Alcohol occupies the liver so estrogen (produced in the body to balance testosterone production) cannot be processed so the two hormones "negate" each other.  Alcohol depresses testosterone secretion. Exercise prior to alcohol intake can make the negative effects on testosterone secretion last longer by "direct inhibition at the testicular level."  Alcohol increases secretion of cortisol, which is catabolic. This may be one factor in alcohol-induced testosterone depression. Increased cortisol and decreased testosterone lasts up to 24 hours after drinking alcohol.  Alcohol can depress nighttime HGH secretion by up to 70% (due to sleep disruption)  Alcohol interferes with post-exercise glycogen synthesis  Alcohol increases calcium excretion, which may reduce bone density, and magnesium, a mineral essential to energy production  Alcohol is an appetizer, and impairs judgment so bad food choices are often made in the presence of alcohol  Alcohol irritates the GI tract and this may have a negative effect on nutrient absorption  Alcohol has a diuretic effect, so it is dehydrating.  Jesus, John. Next thing you're going to be telling me that masturbation is bad for you too. Kill Joy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 The hard part for me was sorting through all the crap leading up to the decision. Once it was made, no problem. Â Care to elaborate on "the crap"? Â Nope! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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