ivan Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 I find it fascinating that a self-described champion of individual liberty could applaud this decision: did he applaud it, or just list it as an example of scotus' willingness to support a use of the commerce clause consistent w/ kk's demand for concrete proposals to deal w/ income inequality? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 but hey! let's keep going after the fat cat bus driver/teacher/nurse ... Or, maybe, these guys: http://www.thenewstribune.com/soundinfo/statesalaries/?appSession=334143084561169&RecordID=&PageID=2&PrevPageID=1&cpipage=1&CPISortType=&CPIorderBy= University of Washington SARKISIAN, STEPHEN A COACH-FOOTBALL $1,982,918 University of Washington ROMAR, LORENZO COACH-BASKETBALL $1,147,050 Washington State University BONE, KEN HEAD BASKETBALL COACH $746,416 University of Washington HOLT V, NICHOLAS ASSISTANT COACH-FOOTBALL $652,229 Washington State University FLOYD, ELSON PRESIDENT $625,000 Washington State University WULFF, PAUL L HEAD FOOTBALL COACH $551,670 University of Washington WOODWARD, DAVID SCOTT ASSOCIATE VICE PRESIDENT $550,008 University of Washington SEKHAR, LALIGAM N PROFESSOR WITHOUT TENURE $547,980 University of Washington REYES, JORGE DIONISIO PROFESSOR WITHOUT TENURE $521,304 University of Washington MILLER, DONALD W PROFESSOR WITHOUT TENURE $516,552 University of Washington SPISSO, JOHNESE M. VICE PRESIDENT $515,196 University of Washington EMMERT, MARK A PRESIDENT $492,178 University of Washington FERGUSON, KEITH R PROFESSIONAL STAFF - CONTRACT P3 $473,000 University of Washington REISTAD, GARTH K PROFESSIONAL STAFF - CONTRACT P3 $441,750 University of Washington MURRAY, CHRISTOPHER J PROFESSOR $441,192 University of Washington JIAMBALVO, JAMES DEAN $436,248 University of Washington PELLEGRINI, CARLOS A. CHAIR $429,912 University of Washington MAIER, RONALD V PROFESSOR $421,392 Washington State University BAYLY, WARWICK M PROVOST & EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT $382,057 University of Washington VERRIER, EDWARD D. PROFESSOR WITHOUT TENURE $381,120 University of Washington NELIGAN, PETER CAMILLUS PROFESSOR WITHOUT TENURE $378,636 University of Washington JURKOVICH, GREGORY J. PROFESSOR WITHOUT TENURE $376,680 University of Washington FERGUSON, BRUCE ASSISTANT VICE PRESIDENT/PROVOST $373,632 University of Washington MORTON, THOMAS H PROFESSOR $372,331 University of Washington MAHAN, RUTH M. DIRECTOR $370,272 University of Washington HOLMES, KING K. PROFESSOR $369,756 University of Washington ODA, DOLPHINE PROFESSOR $366,619 University of Washington ZIENIEWICZ, STEPHEN P DIRECTOR $359,436 University of Washington KRAVAS, CONSTANCE VICE PRESIDENT $353,064 University of Washington WHALEN, EILEEN DIRECTOR $352,008 University of Washington TESTY, KELLYE DEAN $352,008 University of Washington SALMON, MARLA E DEAN $337,008 University of Washington O'DONNELL, MATTHEW DEAN $336,768 University of Washington BURGSTAHLER, DAVID C PROFESSOR $336,734 University of Washington MULLIGAN, MICHAEL S PROFESSOR WITHOUT TENURE $335,940 University of Washington VEDDER, NICHOLAS PROFESSOR WITHOUT TENURE $335,004 University of Washington SOMERMAN, MARTHA J DEAN $330,948 Washington State University BOSE, ANJAN REGENTS' PROFESSOR $329,908 University of Washington HUNTSMAN, LEE L PROFESSOR $329,172 University of Washington KLEIN, MATTHEW B. ASSOC PROFESSOR WITHOUT TENURE $323,904 The Evergreen State College PURCE, THOMAS LESLIE PRESIDENT $318,533 University of Washington HARFORD, JARRAD PROFESSOR $318,033 University of Washington AVOLIO, BRUCE PROFESSOR $316,444 University of Washington WISE, PHYLLIS M PROVOST $316,422 University of Washington ROBINSON, LAWRENCE R. ASSOCIATE DEAN $316,284 University of Washington BRANSFORD, JOHN D PROFESSOR $315,984 University of Washington KUHL, PATRICIA K PROFESSOR $315,967 University of Washington MITCHELL, LORI HOSPITAL-ASSOCIATE ADMINISTRATOR SENIOR $315,722 University of Washington CAUCE, ANA MARI DEAN $315,000 University of Washington WARREN, V'ELLA A. SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT $313,500 University of Washington SHEVLIN, TERRENCE J PROFESSOR $309,696 University of Washington HURST, STANLEY L. CLINICAL PROFESSOR-SALARIED $309,063 University of Washington WOOD, DOUGLAS E. PROFESSOR WITHOUT TENURE $305,140 Washington State University ROYER, GREG SPECIAL ASSISTANT $304,200 University of Washington STEENSMA, HARVEY K. PROFESSOR $303,938 State Investment Board BRUEBAKER, GARY CHIEF INVESTMENT OFFICER $303,582 Central Washington University GAUDINO, JAMES LAWRENCE PRESIDENT $302,850 University of Washington COZZETTO, DANIEL KAY ASSISTANT COACH-FOOTBALL $302,435 University of Washington BULGER, EILEEN PROFESSOR WITHOUT TENURE $301,800 Washington State University VALACICH, JOSEPH S PROFESSOR $301,461 University of Washington ELLENBOGEN, RICHARD G. PROFESSOR $300,012 University of Washington HIMMELFARB, JONATHAN PROFESSOR $300,000 Western Washington University SHEPARD, WILLIAM BRUCE PRESIDENT $300,000 University of Washington BAILLIE, THOMAS A DEAN $300,000 University of Washington NUSSMEIER, DOUG K. ASSISTANT COACH-FOOTBALL $299,687 University of Washington CATTERALL, WILLIAM A PROFESSOR $299,232 University of Washington LEE, THOMAS W PROFESSOR $294,204 University of Washington BOWEN, ROBERT M PROFESSOR $291,351 Washington State University MOOS, WILLIAM H DIRECTOR $291,284 University of Washington BOEKER, WARREN PROFESSOR $290,659 University of Washington DAVIS, JAMES E PROFESSOR $290,457 University of Washington SEFCIK, STEPHAN E PROFESSOR $290,249 University of Washington KHANNA, PARITOSH C ASST PROFESSOR WITHOUT TENURE $289,080 University of Washington ISHAK, GISELE ELIAS ASST PROFESSOR WITHOUT TENURE $289,080 Dept of Social and Health Services EPISTOLA, ROSA F PSYCHIATRIST 4 $289,073 University of Washington EISENBERG, MICKEY PROFESSOR WITHOUT TENURE $288,576 University of Washington MCLAUGHLIN, JAMES COACH $288,061 University of Washington ISHIZUKA, PAUL S. HOSPITAL-ASSOCIATE ADMINISTRATOR SENIOR $287,437 University of Washington MILLER, SAMUEL I PROFESSOR $286,392 University of Washington CATALANO, RICHARD F PROFESSOR $285,792 University of Washington SHANKLAND, STUART J. PROFESSOR $285,312 University of Washington DAVIES, SCOTT A PROFESSIONAL STAFF - CONTRACT P3 $285,004 University of Washington RAMIREZ, JAN M PROFESSOR WITHOUT TENURE $285,000 University of Washington DISIS, MARY L. PROFESSOR WITHOUT TENURE $283,548 University of Washington FLEMMIG, THOMAS F. PROFESSOR $281,885 University of Washington GIBRAN, NICOLE PROFESSOR WITHOUT TENURE $280,236 University of Washington CHEN, XIAO-PING PROFESSOR $280,023 University of Washington STERN, SUSAN A PROFESSOR $280,008 University of Washington MCAULIFFE, DAVID STEPHEN PROFESSIONAL STAFF - CONTRACT P3 $280,004 University of Washington ARTRU, ALAN A PROFESSOR WITHOUT TENURE $279,072 Dept of Social and Health Services PAREDES, DANIEL R PSYCHIATRIST 4 $278,669 University of Washington CHAIT, ALAN PROFESSOR $278,532 University of Washington GLENNY, ROBB PROFESSOR $277,793 University of Washington STARNES, BENJAMIN WARE ASSOC PROFESSOR WITHOUT TENURE $277,572 University of Washington RUBEL, EDWIN W. PROFESSOR $276,900 Washington State University SPANGENBERG, ERIC RICHARD DEAN AND PROFESSOR $276,303 University of Washington HECKER, CYNTHIA J HOSPITAL-ASSOCIATE ADMINISTRATOR $275,004 University of Washington JAMISON, DEAN T PROFESSOR $275,004 Dept of Social and Health Services KHAN, RANA M Z PSYCHIATRIST 4 $274,670 University of Washington DEVINE, DONNA R. SOM DIRECTOR - CLINICAL DEPARTMENT $274,552 University of Washington HALLAM, DANIAL K. ASSOC PROFESSOR WITHOUT TENURE $274,416 University of Washington MELTZOFF, ANDREW N PROFESSOR $273,508 University of Washington ELMAN, SANDRA E. DIRECTOR $273,333 University of Washington KORNBERG, MINDY VICE PRESIDENT $272,880 University of Washington ABRASS, ITAMAR B. PROFESSOR $271,920 University of Washington COHEN, WENDY PROFESSOR WITHOUT TENURE $271,424 University of Washington FOY, HUGH M PROFESSOR WITHOUT TENURE $271,032 Dept of Social and Health Services SIMANGAN, MARIO D PSYCHIATRIST 4 $271,015 University of Washington JACKSON, TIA S COACH - WOMEN'S BASKETBALL $270,747 University of Washington CHAPMAN, RICHARD ASSOCIATE VICE PRESIDENT $270,408 University of Washington FROEHNER, STANLEY C PROFESSOR $270,240 Washington State University GARDNER, JOHN C VICE PRESIDENT $270,014 University of Washington SANGEORZAN, BRUCE J. PROFESSOR WITHOUT TENURE $269,045 University of Washington SIMMEN, JEFFREY A. DIRECTOR $268,618 University of Washington GRAY, TERENCE E ASSOCIATE VICE PRESIDENT $267,097 University of Washington HODGE, FRANK D ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR $266,714 University of Washington ANAWALT, BRADLEY D PROFESSOR WITHOUT TENURE $266,016 University of Washington GURALNICK, MICHAEL J DIRECTOR $265,140 Washington State University MURALI, VIJI VICE PRES FOR INFO SVCS & CHIEF INFO OFFICER $265,018 University of Washington HORVATH, KAREN D. PROFESSOR WITHOUT TENURE $264,876 University of Washington SAUNDERS, MICHAEL D. CLINICAL ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR-SALARIED $264,828 University of Washington KING, BRYAN PROFESSOR $264,631 University of Washington UNUTZER, JURGEN PROFESSOR $264,456 University of Washington BEIRNE, OWEN ROSS PROFESSOR $263,516 University of Washington KERRIGAN, MARGARET A. HOSPITAL-ASSOCIATE ADMINISTRATOR $263,482 and so it goes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 What a fucking loathsome creature. It's just a montage picture of my avatar. Grab the tin foil hat, do something but get a grip of yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 More cherry-picking incoming from the same people who claimed that corporate types warranted their bonuses or they'd go somewhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 The bummer is that leveling down ("my benefits, wage, and pension package sucks and is getting suckier by the year, we should make everybody else's suck as bad as mine") has become the conditioned response...Sounds like the basic premise behind the concept of "redistribution of wealth" to me... From actor Michael Caine's autobiography, "What's It All About?" (1992): [P]olitics entered into my life [in my late teens] in an unusual and exciting way. Coming out of the club one evening [in the early 1950s] I was surprised to find myself surrounded by a bevy of very attractive . . . older women, about twenty or twenty-two years old. They were offering leaflets. I took one and one of the girls said mysteriously: "Read it and let us know if you're interested. We'll be back tomorrow night." What exciting proposition could this be, I thought as I walked home reading the leaflet. From what I could make out I was being asked to join something called Young Communists. I knew it was a political party, I also knew that they were very keen on it in Russia and that it had been invented by someone called Marx. I knew the Marx Brothers from the movies so at least, I thought, it might be amusing. The leaflet went on to something really interesting: there was going to be a redistribution of wealth. I could not believe my luck! If they were going to do that, my family and I would have to come out ahead. The clincher for me, was that Communists believed in free love. I couldn't credit that I'd found a political party that offered wealth and love: my two absorbing passions. I couldn't wait to get out of the club the next evening to meet the group of girls. I had a good look at them and picked the one that I wanted to have free love with the most. "I want to join," I said. "Wonderful," she replied and dragged me off to a small dingy office a couple of streets away. "He wants to join," she announced and then she disappeared. I was left standing in a room with four men, all doing smile impersonations. I was instantly suspicious. Remembering what my father had told me about spotting untrustworthy men, I had hit the jackpot here. Two of them had beards, one was wearing sandals and another one had a bow tie. The only thing missing were the two-toned shoes. The object of my free love had disappeared and here I was with a group of guys who obviously so far had not done very well in the redistribution of wealth by the look of them. One of them put a form on the desk in front of me and told me to sign it and pay over my subscription of five shillings. I saw at once what a mistake I had made: the distribution of wealth was to be mine to them, not the other way around. I fledand a lingering suspicion of Communism has remained planted in my mind forever. didn't that guy star as THE example of all that's wrong w/ capitalism? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlpineK Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 I think the Governor has nothing but bad options. The state's running out of money/credit. Cutting education and other services will screw over a lot of people. Yeah they will cut employees and services no matter what, but they can only cut so many without causing a revolt. To generate revenue they have to get it somewhere. State Income Tax is off the table, so now they're back to raising sales tax. Yes Sales tax is regressive. The governor is putting it up for a vote. I don't really care for any option but we have to pick one. Don't worry if the hype is correct about the Mayan it'll only suck for the next 12 months [img:center]http://www.december2012endofworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2012-the-end-of-the-world-291x300.jpg[/img] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 The state's running out of money/credit. Cutting education and other services will screw over a lot of people. Education? Did you look at the list of top-paid state employees? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 I find it fascinating that a self-described champion of individual liberty could applaud this decision: did he applaud it, or just list it as an example of scotus' willingness to support a use of the commerce clause consistent w/ kk's demand for concrete proposals to deal w/ income inequality? I already knew all that SCOTUS stuff, but hey, now JayB does, too! What can I say? I just really feel strongly about the potential evils of home grown wheat.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 It's helpful to take historical context into consideration with SCOTUS decisions. 1942...hmmmm...that rings a bell.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 The state's running out of money/credit. Cutting education and other services will screw over a lot of people. Education? Did you look at the list of top-paid state employees? How much does a top neurosurgeon earn in the private sector? or do you feel we can staff one of the top medical program in the country with those who perform near the bottom of their class? Are you a troll? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 (edited) The state's running out of money/credit. Cutting education and other services will screw over a lot of people. Education? Did you look at the list of top-paid state employees? How much does a top neurosurgeon earn in the private sector? or do you feel we can staff one of the top medical program in the country with those who perform near the bottom of their class? Are you a troll? So, let me see if I have this right: You want public salaries to be determined by the market, but you want private salaries to be determined/regulated by government. Wow, you are a real piece of work. In any event, the vast majority of the salaries on that list are non-medical profs with no tenure who are the recipients of higher-ed monopolistic practices. You don't believe in institutional collusion do you? Anyway, I'm off to W-O-R-K. (You should try it!) Edited November 30, 2011 by Fairweather Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil K Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Fairweather's got a point though; clearly the best way to make this state more successful is to cut spending on education so that people like Tim Eyeman and Kemper Freeman don't have to pay more in taxes. They're the job creators. Or- maybe that's what these people are paid because it's (get this) a competitive market for top level professionals in this profession. These are hardly union stiffs he's referring to. The state's running out of money/credit. Cutting education and other services will screw over a lot of people. Education? Did you look at the list of top-paid state employees? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 (edited) So, let me see if I have this right: You want public salaries to be determined by the market, but you want private salaries to be determined/regulated by government. Wow, you are a real piece of work. In any event, the vast majority of the salaries on that list are non-medical profs with no tenure who are the recipients of higher-ed monopolistic practices. You don't believe in institutional collusion do you? Anyway, I'm off to W-O-R-K. (You should try it!) Contrarily to you I am not a dogmatist and a combination of market and regulatory discretion to decide on wages seems adequate to me. I challenge you to show that those non-tenure profs aren't mostly medical professionals (or some other high earning profession) but I am not holding my breath considering your demonstrated lack of intellectual honesty. Edited November 30, 2011 by j_b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlpineK Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 I do know education is a big chunk. The State has to offer competitive wage rates for employees. From what I hear, compared to national wage rates, they do that. If they cut pay folks jump ship and it becomes hard to find replacements. Like I said lots of bad alternatives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 [ So, let me see if I have this right: You want public salaries to be determined by the market, but you want private salaries to be determined/regulated by government. Wow, you are a real piece of work. j_bot regularly exhibits his two-faced inconsistencies, claiming to stand for one thing as he bashes capitalism and the private sector in one breath, while using the same practices as an excuse to rationalize what occurs in the public sector in the very next breath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 [ University of Washington SARKISIAN, STEPHEN A COACH-FOOTBALL $1,982,918 University of Washington ROMAR, LORENZO COACH-BASKETBALL $1,147,050 Washington State University BONE, KEN HEAD BASKETBALL COACH $746,416 University of Washington HOLT V, NICHOLAS ASSISTANT COACH-FOOTBALL $652,229 ... Again and again we hear about how much money Division I sports programs bring in to a school, but fuck it sure costs a lot to run those programs, now doesn't it. Why again are education costs going through the roof? Never mind, no matter, j_bot and prole will just make it "free". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Off_White Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Whoa, now hold on here. This thread is 41 pages long? Are you people fucking nuts? I know Muir on Saturday, I'm a friend of Muir on Saturday, and this is no Muir on Saturday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlpineK Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Good point Off, Muir on Saturday is 50 pages and worth preserving. I'm afraid this thread doesn't live up to those standards. Eventually I'm going to have to lock this thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 j_bot regularly exhibits his two-faced inconsistencies, claiming to stand for one thing as he bashes capitalism and the private sector in one breath, while using the same practices as an excuse to rationalize what occurs in the public sector in the very next breath. It's the continual parade of the troll brigade. First, I don't bash capitalism, I bash unfettered capitalism and corporatism. Second, contrarily to you morons, I know that if we want a quality public service, public employee wages can't be too far out of whack with wages for comparable occupations in the private sector. As said many times already, public employee wages are already on average lower than in the private sector for equivalent professions. I know that you morons wouldn't like anything better than our prized public institutions to commit harakiri for the sake of your free market fundamentalism but excuse me for not falling for your rank stupidity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 So, again, does anyone NOT agree with taxing the wealthy more as part of a solution to our national deficit problem? I have zero expectation of an adult answer from our conservative reps here...they never give a straight answer on anything, but you can't fault a guy for trying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 I'll repeat my answer, and that is yes. But similarly, other than you, I haven't heard any suggestions for dealing with the current state budget realities and timeframe. Apparantly it's below some academic threshold, I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Are you people fucking nuts? Yup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 I'll repeat my answer, and that is yes. But similarly, other than you, I haven't heard any suggestions for dealing with the current state budget realities and timeframe. Apparantly it's below some academic threshold, I suppose. except mine, which you've previously acknowledged, that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 I'll repeat my answer, and that is yes. But similarly, other than you, I haven't heard any suggestions for dealing with the current state budget realities and timeframe. Apparantly it's below some academic threshold, I suppose. What's below the academic threshold is pretending that us talking about spending cuts all day is going to force politicians to do their job, which includes campaigning for quality public services (that also depend on public employee compensation) and a slew of other actions like putting the unconstitutional supermajority nonsense in front of the state supreme court or cutting corporate tax breaks for outsourcers (and insourcers like Boeing), etc .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 What's below the academic threshold is pretending that us talking about spending cuts all day is going to force politicians to do their job, ... ...as opposed to your incessant spew of verbal diarrhea effecting any change in government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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