rob Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 AH, it's republican spin tactic #312 -- "this isn't news." I didn't see that one coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 What's the news here - exactly? Nothing really new: per usual, sociopathic regressives manufactured a crisis to demonize public workers and double down on union busting with the funding of the Libertarian Kochctopus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prole Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 "patronage machine/engine" is the new "central planning" is the new "islamofascism" is the new... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 NYT poll analysis, for what it's worth: "The Gallup poll, however, suggests that while reducing benefits and pay for government workers is somewhat unpopular (it is opposed by a 53-44 margin), reducing their collective bargaining rights is much more clearly so (it is opposed 61-33). And Mr. Walker’s budget proposal aims to do some of both." Pretty typical of most Rfuck issues once their true agenda sees the light of day. Pretty much the usual 60-30 split on most issues. These sociopaths never had a mandate to go after collective bargaining, worker benefits or cut social programs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glassgowkiss Posted February 23, 2011 Author Share Posted February 23, 2011 (edited) What's the news here - exactly? People who benefit from the tax-funded patronage machine want to keep it going, those who don't want to end it. Like what? let's talk about no-bid contracts, let's talk about financial bailout and subsequent 20% of the money going to bonuses of CEO's, who ruined these companies in the first place. your head is so deep up your own ass discussing anything in rational manner is a complete waste of my time. now fuck off *ping!* and find your own soap box frigging douche nozzle. Edited February 23, 2011 by Off_White Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prole Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 What's the news here - exactly? People who benefit from the tax-funded patronage machine want to keep it going, those who don't want to end it. Like what? let's talk about no-bid contracts, let's talk about financial bailout and subsequent 20% of the money going to bonuses of CEO's, who ruined these companies in the first place. Dude, that's just corporations exercising their right to free speech, representation, and pursuit of self-interest, and a right to a return on their investment. No "patronage machine" here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 What's the news here - exactly? People who benefit from the tax-funded patronage machine want to keep it going, those who don't want to end it. Please don't tell me that Democrats aren't making tactical discussions with union bosses about how to keep the patronage engine going. The funny thing about this "fight" is that the very best that public sector unions can achieve is a pyrrhic victory. They keep the gravy train rolling and either prevent any measures that would make the delivery of public services more cost-efficient, or better yet from their perspective actually get massive boosts in pay and benefits and the end result is that their states implode fiscally sooner rather than later. The best possible outcome for them in that scenario is the complete gutting of public services with significant layoffs in order to keep pay and benefits untouched for the folks with enough seniority or connections to avoid the axe. Even if the public is cool with the pay-more-for-less dynamic, the bond market won't be, and since the trend cost growth will continue to increase at a rate that exceeds the rate at which the underlying economy grows, even incremental tax increases won't fend off the inevitable forever. If the politicians can't force through a fundamental restructuring of public sector compensation models, the bond market eventually will. The funny thing is that public sector unions have much more to fear from "friends" that encourage them to cling to schemes that are destined to fail than enemies that are attempting to modify them in ways that would actually keep them solvent, even if they have political motives for doing so. Speaking of lost causes.... Here's a guy who lied repeatedly about his stated agenda (fiscal responsibility!) versus his actual one (union busting)...and it's 'not news'? OK. You've actually lowered your credibility (although we haven't polled Billcoe on this yet), something I didn't really believe was possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Choada_Boy Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 now fuck off *ping!* and find your own soap box frigging douche nozzle. My sentiments. Exactly. Well put, Bob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 now fuck off cunt and find your own soap box frigging douche nozzle. My sentiments. Exactly. Well put, Bob. Disagree. I've never seen JayB call anyone a cunt or a douche nozzle. It's not well put, it's just stupid and unnecessarily rough, and not really funny either. So, not very many redeeming qualities. It just sounds like something an angry drunk would say and ruin the party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 What's ironic, though, is that he bothered to say "frigging" douche nozzle. That's kind of funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Disagree. I've never seen JayB call anyone a cunt or a douche nozzle. It's not well put, it's just stupid and unnecessarily rough, and not really funny either. So, not very many redeeming qualities. It just sounds like something an angry drunk would say and ruin the party. word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prole Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Post-Tuscon Spray = Ghey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prole Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Somebody needs caped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 NYT poll analysis, for what it's worth: "The Gallup poll, however, suggests that while reducing benefits and pay for government workers is somewhat unpopular (it is opposed by a 53-44 margin), reducing their collective bargaining rights is much more clearly so (it is opposed 61-33). And Mr. Walker’s budget proposal aims to do some of both." Pretty typical of most Rfuck issues once their true agenda sees the light of day. AND in typical fashion the Fox Propaganda network showed the following graphics: the host propagandist reported 61% for taking away collective bargaining! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prole Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 FUX VIEWERS WILL NEVER KNOW THEY WERE DUPED!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayB Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 What's the news here - exactly? People who benefit from the tax-funded patronage machine want to keep it going, those who don't want to end it. Like what? let's talk about no-bid contracts, let's talk about financial bailout and subsequent 20% of the money going to bonuses of CEO's, who ruined these companies in the first place. your head is so deep up your own ass discussing anything in rational manner is a complete waste of my time. now fuck off *ping!* and find your own soap box frigging douche nozzle. Finding oneself on the wrong end of a Crazy Polish Bob diatribe is a rare privilege afforded only to a select few, but I'll confess that I'm disappointed for a few reasons. The first is that it took so long, unless I'm forgetting a previous honor. The second is that the insults were so tediously conventional compared to his normal output, the third is that it was so brief, and the fourth is that it was hampered by an uncharacteristically close adherence to the standard rules of grammar and syntax. I remember the CPB of yore, an idiosyncratic lexical anarcho-fiend who single-handedly shut-down the Rock and Ice message board while posting as "agentorange." The output was all lower case, there often was nary a punctuation mark to be found in the entire entry, there were entire paragraphs without a single space between letters, and if you studied the text closely enough you could decipher insults so baroque, abstract, and depraved that they'd never even been conceived of by another mind since the beginning of time, let alone converted into a human language and transposed into letters. Bob, my friend, I'm so disappointed with "douche nozzle" and whatever proceeded it that I almost expect an apology in the form of a diatribe that does justice to the true magnitude of your talents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 What about the California prison guards union? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 What about the California prison guards union? I, for one, see very little functional difference between prison guards and school teachers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Conway Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 What's the news here - exactly? People who benefit from the tax-funded patronage machine want to keep it going, those who don't want to end it. Like what? let's talk about no-bid contracts, let's talk about financial bailout and subsequent 20% of the money going to bonuses of CEO's, who ruined these companies in the first place. your head is so deep up your own ass discussing anything in rational manner is a complete waste of my time. now fuck off *ping!* and find your own soap box frigging douche nozzle. Finding oneself on the wrong end of a Crazy Polish Bob diatribe is a rare privilege afforded only to a select few, but I'll confess that I'm disappointed for a few reasons. The first is that it took so long, unless I'm forgetting a previous honor. The second is that the insults were so tediously conventional compared to his normal output, the third is that it was so brief, and the fourth is that it was hampered by an uncharacteristically close adherence to the standard rules of grammar and syntax. I remember the CPB of yore, an idiosyncratic lexical anarcho-fiend who single-handedly shut-down the Rock and Ice message board while posting as "agentorange." The output was all lower case, there often was nary a punctuation mark to be found in the entire entry, there were entire paragraphs without a single space between letters, and if you studied the text closely enough you could decipher insults so baroque, abstract, and depraved that they'd never even been conceived of by another mind since the beginning of time, let alone converted into a human language and transposed into letters. Bob, my friend, I'm so disappointed with "douche nozzle" and whatever proceeded it that I almost expect an apology in the form of a diatribe that does justice to the true magnitude of your talents. Nice diversion Jay! Now back to Republican corruption. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 What about the California prison guards union? I, for one, see very little functional difference between prison guards and school teachers. first lesson for teachers: never block the doorway first lesson for prison guards: always block the doorway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitrox Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 I'm totally not voting for that Guvv again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Conway Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 You vote? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crux Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Will the explicit ethics violations committed by the governor while speaking with the faux Koch brother result in the governor's removal from office? Did any part of what the governor said comprise an admission that he has, while in office, considered waging criminal action against the people of Wisconsin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Right to Work bill dropped in Indiana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Hey JayB, why isn't he trying to abolish collective bargaining for police and fire unions, if he feels so strongly this is the "right thing to do?" Do you think it's maybe because they supported his campaign? Strange that he would make an exception for them. Even stranger that he would offer generous tax breaks to businesses, which roughly equal the amount of money he's trying to pry from the teacher's unions. Weird coincidences, arent' they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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