RuMR Posted September 27, 2007 Posted September 27, 2007 More fudgepacking :anger: you know Rob, I kinda see the guy's point...he was definitely insensitive about it, but the fact remains that a child is now gone. My guess, is that his father actually died of a broken heart, or at least was incapacitated by it. I would be completely shattered in that situation. Quote
rob Posted September 27, 2007 Posted September 27, 2007 It breaks my heart, and I don't even know the family. To call the deceased "inconsiderate and thoughtless in the extreme" and to say he's "lucky he died" is absolutely inexcusable. Quote
RuMR Posted September 27, 2007 Posted September 27, 2007 i think the comment "lucky he died" was meant in the sense that he would have to live with his son's death...i think it was meant to say that the father's passing is "merciful". I would have a very hard time living past what happened if it were me and would wish my own death... Quote
ClimbingPanther Posted September 27, 2007 Posted September 27, 2007 before I heard details I figured the son fell and the father wouldn't leave his side or fell in a hurry trying to get to him. seems to fit with what they've found *and released* I think it is a valid question as to whether or not it was wise to take a 12 year old, however experienced, on 45 degree blue ice unprotected. Quote
sk Posted September 28, 2007 Posted September 28, 2007 i think the comment "lucky he died" was meant in the sense that he would have to live with his son's death...i think it was meant to say that the father's passing is "merciful". I would have a very hard time living past what happened if it were me and would wish my own death... thats what i was thinking. I don't know that guy or anything about his accident, but if my boys were to die in an accident or in any other way, i would want to go with them as i do not think i could go on with out them. peace to the family left behind. my heart is utterly broken for all of them. Quote
archenemy Posted September 28, 2007 Posted September 28, 2007 I am not a parent, but I can imagine the "Lucky he died" comment not being intended as a barb--not only for the reason RumR mentioned, but also b/c the father died with his boy. They didn't die alone. That might sound really weird to a bunch of folks, but to people who believe in an afterlife it may not sound so bad. Maybe that's just what was meant to be... As for not putting his kid in harm's way--I don't get that. The kid was 12 and with his dad. More kids die in car wrecks every day than in climbing acccidents--yet I don't see people driving very carefully. I suppose it is easier for us to judge others than to look at the impacts our own daily actions can have on the lives of others. He was a fortunate boy to have a father who shared life with him like this. I'll bet that kid saw and achieved more in 12 years than some people ever do. And what a great father to have shared his life, his love, and his death with his child. He gave absolutely everything he had to his child--who could judge that so harshly? Quote
Sherri Posted September 28, 2007 Posted September 28, 2007 (edited) I am not a parent, but I can imagine the "Lucky he died" comment not being intended as a barb--not only for the reason RumR mentioned, but also b/c the father died with his boy. They didn't die alone. That might sound really weird to a bunch of folks, but to people who believe in an afterlife it may not sound so bad. Maybe that's just what was meant to be... As for not putting his kid in harm's way--I don't get that. The kid was 12 and with his dad. More kids die in car wrecks every day than in climbing acccidents--yet I don't see people driving very carefully. I suppose it is easier for us to judge others than to look at the impacts our own daily actions can have on the lives of others. He was a fortunate boy to have a father who shared life with him like this. I'll bet that kid saw and achieved more in 12 years than some people ever do. And what a great father to have shared his life, his love, and his death with his child. He gave absolutely everything he had to his child--who could judge that so harshly? Well said, Arch. Tragedy that it is, it's a reminder that we'll all go one way or another, sooner or later--speaking for myself, when my time comes and goes, I could only hope to have lived a life which warrants such a beautiful eulogy as this. Edited September 28, 2007 by Sherri Quote
tvashtarkatena Posted September 28, 2007 Posted September 28, 2007 I would have loved to have had a dad that introduced me to climbing as a boy. What a gift. Quote
JosephH Posted April 16, 2009 Posted April 16, 2009 As opposed to a bunch of rock-ravaged, culturally estute, all-too-hip, mutually-flagellating, stromboli-packed clip artistes? Quote
olyclimber Posted April 16, 2009 Posted April 16, 2009 this thread offends my sensibilities. i'm going to medicate with these all stars [video:youtube]wXGgWf2lacM Quote
rob Posted April 16, 2009 Posted April 16, 2009 that video made me see the light. Let's go hiking!! Quote
billcoe Posted April 16, 2009 Posted April 16, 2009 DAVE, I'M SORRY ABOUT THIS THREAD. I WAS VERY ANGRY TOM, BUT SINCE THEN HE AND I HAVE WORKED THINGS OUT. HIKERS ARE PEOPLE TOO. Just adding to the collective wisdom. lol Quote
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