tvashtarkatena Posted October 6, 2006 Share Posted October 6, 2006 Bush is not a strong leader, he is a strong-minded weakling. As Commander in Chief he's losing two wars in backwater countries, one if which we already defanged 13 years prior. Under his watch we've never been in a weaker negotiating position abroad. Remember the days when other countries took what we said seriously? Financially we're in hock. And our future prospects as compared to our rivals aren't promising. Real strong leaders create a compelling vision of the future, get the country behind them, and realize them. The strength of their leadership is measured by results, not bluster. Compare Bush to Washington, Lincoln and FDR using this measure and have yourself a sad little laugh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted October 6, 2006 Share Posted October 6, 2006 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Can%27t_Wait http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Communist_Party%2C_USA While you are waiting for Underworld to answer each and every nuance of the question you posed, perhaps you wouldn't mind addressing the above link? Are you a communist? (It's not illegal - so just be honest.) If not, are you aware of your organization's communist underpinnings? Do you care? Enemy of my enemy? Or willing dupe? Is that where you're coming from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMR Posted October 6, 2006 Share Posted October 6, 2006 so fairyweather...what do you think of woodward's new book?? Feel like a sucka for voting for that crook????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted October 6, 2006 Share Posted October 6, 2006 (edited) Try to stay on task Rumr. Haven't read it. And, likely, niether have you. So before you open your hole too wide why don't you qualify yourself to review it by picking up a copy - and not just spouting what you've heard from your politically diverse (I'm sure ) group of whacked-out, pot smoking friends - or read in today's Stranger. Edited October 6, 2006 by Fairweather Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted October 6, 2006 Share Posted October 6, 2006 Jim, you, you, you COMMIE, you! My god, that is old school. Bizarre, even. Meanwhile, back at planet Earth: Here's the ACLU's list of reforms for the Torture Bill, for those who want more specifics as to what is wrong with this legislation. http://www.aclu.org/natsec/gen/26861leg20060925.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted October 6, 2006 Share Posted October 6, 2006 I'd think that Jim would care about who his puppet master really is. But I'm just curious to find out if he already knows. How about you old man? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted October 6, 2006 Share Posted October 6, 2006 group of whacked-out, pot smoking friends Wow, this guy IS a time machine! I think I'll just slip off, crank up some Commander Cody on the HiFi, light up a fatty, and try to git that old Microbus runnin' agin'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMR Posted October 6, 2006 Share Posted October 6, 2006 you could say that pinkofairywhethernot is a bit of an anachronism! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted October 6, 2006 Share Posted October 6, 2006 Trash - 39 posts and a mouth that controls his brain. Just what this site needs - yet another leftist to give climbers a bad public image. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinomyte Posted October 6, 2006 Share Posted October 6, 2006 Aren't most climbers leftists? LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted October 6, 2006 Share Posted October 6, 2006 Yes. It's why I don't voluntarily confess to being a participant in the sport, and it is also the reason I actually like Larry the Tool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crux Posted October 7, 2006 Share Posted October 7, 2006 Now wait a minute, who ever accused you of being a climber? That's just not right! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Posted October 7, 2006 Share Posted October 7, 2006 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Can%27t_Wait http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Communist_Party%2C_USA While you are waiting for Underworld to answer each and every nuance of the question you posed, perhaps you wouldn't mind addressing the above link? Are you a communist? (It's not illegal - so just be honest.) If not, are you aware of your organization's communist underpinnings? Do you care? Enemy of my enemy? Or willing dupe? Is that where you're coming from? Holy shit. You must be desperate to bring up the commie tag. You have plenty of desperate republican company these days. By the way, where's the top ten best Bush actions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crux Posted October 7, 2006 Share Posted October 7, 2006 Holy shit. You must be desperate to bring up the commie tag. You have plenty of desperate republican company these days. By the way, where's the top ten best Bush actions? Actually, there might be fewer Republicans in that desperate company every day: "The most interesting poll today is in NY-26, where incumbent Tom Reynolds ® was expected to win an easy victory over challenger Jack Davis (D). Oops. Reynolds is involved in the Mark Foley sex scandal and a SurveyUSA poll now shows Davis leading 50% to 45%. In related news, it is now clear that Speaker Dennis Hastert knew all about the dirty emails for over 3 years and did nothing except try to hide them. Hastert has a bit of a problem now. People don't always understand national intelligence estimates or the fact that Saddam Hussein was a secular dictator who thought that Osama bin Laden was a maniac and a religious nutcase, but they do understand that preying on teenage boys is morally wrong and that hiding the perpetrator is a sin. Some pollsters are now saying that if Hastert doesn't get this problem fixed FAST, the GOP may be looking at at a loss of 50 seats in the House instead of 20." -- Electoral Vote.com, 2006 Oct 6. the vote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted October 7, 2006 Share Posted October 7, 2006 Thanks for clogging up 2nd Ave today assholes. It was real fun maneuvering my bike amongst all the pissed off motorists trying to get home. shit--sorry i missed. even in a car, my aim sucks. you're hilarious. not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mos_Chillin Posted October 7, 2006 Share Posted October 7, 2006 thought Minx nailed it. This whole movement is so powerful, I just get choked up and teary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonehead Posted October 7, 2006 Share Posted October 7, 2006 What exactly is President Bush's job? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted October 7, 2006 Share Posted October 7, 2006 (edited) Quote: Now wait a minute, who ever accused you of being a climber? That's just not right! That's a pretty ballsy question - considering a quick review of your posts reveal absolutely NO trip reports filed by you - EVER. You're a real champ. http://www.cascadeclimbers.com/threadz/d...&fromprof=1 Jim, still waiting for an answer. Edited October 8, 2006 by Fairweather Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chucK Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 I know you're probably all much more interested in the Congressional page scandal and the reports of Prez Bush's "relations" with the friendly creatures on his ranch... but more creeping opposition to Habeas Corpus this weekend. Navy fires lawyer who beat the Bush administration in Supreme Court over Habeas rights and for you media-bias types, here's the Fox News version, basically the same except for less quotes from supporters of the let-go lawyer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 Along the same lines, here's a personal account of an innocent torture victim, in this case a German citizen, just to clear up any ambiguity about what our government is doing. http://www.aclu.org/safefree/torture/25552prs20060512.html Mr. El Masri has filed suit, but so far such lawsuits have been thrown out by federal judges on grounds of 'national security'. The catch all phrase for out times. A different subject and regarding a recent post, I thought people who climbed were called climbers and people who wrote were called writers. Is there a special term for 'people who climb but don't write' that I should know about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underworld Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 i thought they threw away the key after plucking folks off the street? why'd they release this guy? so the cia admitted to the mistaken identity of this dude... they haven't admitted to torture. remember your 'inocent till proven guilty' mantra earlier. that applies to people YOU don't like too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 i thought they threw away the key after plucking folks off the street? why'd they release this guy? so the cia admitted to the mistaken identity of this dude... they haven't admitted to torture. remember your 'inocent till proven guilty' mantra earlier. that applies to people YOU don't like too. Don't hold your breath, Underworld. Refer to the last Karl Rove thread for evidence this just isn't so. Oh yea ... and that whole first ammendment thing they're always claiming as their own?...Crux says that doesn't apply to network exec's he disagrees with or those talk radio guys he doesn't like. Their speech is dangerous, don't ya know! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 i thought they threw away the key after plucking folks off the street? why'd they release this guy? so the cia admitted to the mistaken identity of this dude... they haven't admitted to torture. remember your 'inocent till proven guilty' mantra earlier. that applies to people YOU don't like too. You're right. Mr. El Masri probably just went on a gambling binge for four months, then beat himself up repeatedly and dropped himself off on a mountain road at night in Albania to cover the whole thing up from his overbearing wife. Are morons like you born, or do you have to work at it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 Are morons like you born, or do you have to work at it? He works at it, or at least works at playing a moron on cc.com. For example, Fairweather references the "rove threads," as some kind of evidence of folks passing unfair judgment on cc.com in the Plame Leak case, but has steadfastedly refused to acknowledge that in fact at least two reporters other than his get-out-of-jail-free-guy have said, and nobody has denied, that Rove gave them the leak. Further, he has never acknowledged that Rove has made a career out of this kind of stuff. Instead, he's constantly typed some indignant "puleeze, ..." and acted as if anybody who thinks Carl Rove would play dirty tricks or manipulate media spin is some kind of paranoid deluusional -- just like he did for three years whenever anybody argued that Bush lied to take us into the war... Though one might argue the whole thing was overplayed, or has taken some extraordinary turns, anybody who would think poor Carl was maligned undeservedly is surely stoopid, and I don't think our Fairweather is one of those folks. He gets the "straight scoop" on cc.com, after all....how dumb can he be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 Still wrestling with your legal conscience, eh Matt? BTW; I believe our friend, Trashkent, was addressing a post made by Underworld. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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