light weight alpine pack

[chesterboo]

I am looking to get lightweight alpine pack under 4 lbs to hold around 40 lbs plus or minus . I have looked at the black diamond shadow 55 and the jansport endeavor 50 that look pretty cool. any suggestions? I have Gregory palisades that is nearly 8 lbs and a 6 lb arctreryx 55 liter

[larrythellama]

go try on everypack you can find and get the one that fits your body best. i would not just buy a pack cuz someone says its good. make sure you cut off all those dumb straps.

[larrythellama]

oh yeah and get a smaller pack so you are forced to carry less shit. 40lbs is huge.....

[John Frieh]

Look no further: link

[jordop]

Just bought a Lowe Quark 40 off SierraTrading for $55. Looks good, you can strip it down real good

[tthirloway]

the BD sphynx is an awesome pack. it might be too small if you want to carry 40 lbs., but maybe one of their bigger packs would work.

[Dustin_B]

Cold cold world packs

[chesterboo]

Man, I have been proud of getting my load down to 35-40 lbs. IN past doing rainier I have carried 60 plus. IN fact, 5 years ago on Rainier I had 70. How much do you guys carry with a 2 man team on a 2-3 day ascent of Rainier or you pick the peak? I just feel that I could shave my pack weight pretty easy by about 3-4 lbs. thanks for all the suggestions

[fenderfour]

It's the 2-3 day ascent thats creating problems. Get it down to 1-2 days and call it macaroni.

[kurthicks]

arc terryx nozone.

http://www.cascadeclimbers.com/threadz/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/551240/an/0/page/0#551240

[crackers]

aw heck, everybody else is making shameless plugs, why not me too?

 

cilogear packs page All of those packs would satisfy you...and no pesky straps to cut off!

 

</shameless plug>

 

I think larry the llama has a point about fit.

[hohm]

I have seen your packs on Rockclimbing.com also.

Aside from price, what are the advantages of your 60 litre pack over the Andinista?

 

Are are these packs currently available?

Edited March 29, 2006 by hohm

[crackers]

Well, i would say here are the top 4 differences:

1) Partial compression. As we use dee-clips instead of zippers, you can, for example, just close down the top 2/3 of the pack instead of closing down the side. The result is a much better carrying pack.

2) We give you a al stay and a framesheet. Use them if the load is heavy. leave them at home if its not heavy.

3) User defined strap configuration. You load the pack, you put the straps where you need them. There is no other pack in the world capable of this.

4)No tool tubes and a crampon pocket. This might seem silly, but if you use taa-k-oons or similar with pinky rests, you can't use packs with tool tubes.

 

how's that for starters as far as differentiation?

 

you can buy the packs off of the website now. many people have bought them from the website...

 

and i contribute to cc.com. in fact, i am even considering advertising! (oly?)

[olyclimber]

Yo bro, get in touch with Jon if you seriously would like to advertise here. He handles that end of things.

[Fromage]

Man, I have been proud of getting my load down to 35-40 lbs. IN past doing rainier I have carried 60 plus. IN fact, 5 years ago on Rainier I had 70. How much do you guys carry with a 2 man team on a 2-3 day ascent of Rainier or you pick the peak?

 

On a 2-man, 2-day ascent of Rainier on the Muir side my pack weighs 27 pounds when I leave the parking lot. That includes 4 pounds of pack and 4.5 pounds of water (which obviously decreases as the day goes on), which leaves me with about 19 pounds of gear. If I have trained well and am in reasonable shape, I will be carrying 5 pounds less fat on my body than I have now.

 

This takes us back to the classic Gram Counter's Fallacy: instead of spending hours deliberating on what kind of new gear to buy, you could be spending hours running stairs, thereby making yourself stronger, lighter, and richer by not spending $200 on a new pack that saves you one pound. That $200 could buy your park entry fee, your climbing permit, gas for the drive, beer afterwards, and you would STILL have more than $100 left over. I'm not saying you are fat, just highlighting the point that the gear doesn't get you up the hill. But there are other reasons for buying a pack than saving weight. Comfort is nice, and it's okay to look cool. Remember,

 

If you're looking good you're feeling good

If you're feeling good, you're climbing good

If you're climbing good, you're looking good

[slothrop]

I've used a 42L pack to climb Rainier in two days, dunno how much it weighed. This was with ice tools, pickets, and screws.

[Chad_A]

Slothrop and Fromage:

 

What were your sleeping systems?

 

Crackers: the packs look nice. Wish I'd know about them sooner!

[larrythellama]

foam pad and lightweight sleeping bag with my puffy jacket. dont need no super duper bag to stay warm and who wants to camp on the side of rainier when your wife is at home keeping the bed home.

 

fromage......that is exactly what i have been saying but all these dot.com people with more money to burn then time still think that buying the high tech light shit is gonna make them better climbers.......

[chesterboo]

Hey, Take it easy guys. I don't need to be insulted by people who don't even know me. Meet me and then insult me if you still want to. I was asking for some advice on good light weight packs. I am trying to lighten the load I take up the mountain. I think 8 lbs for a pack is too much.

[sean_beanntan]

Go with Cold Cold World Packs, light, durable, functional and cost less then most packs. That said, I have also slimbed in Wild Things packs like the Ice Sack and the Andinista which are very sweet!!!

[chesterboo]

Cold cold world packs look good. I am also intrigued by the cilo gear from new york.

[Ade]

This takes us back to the classic Gram Counter's Fallacy: instead of spending hours deliberating on what kind of new gear to buy, you could be spending hours running stairs, thereby making yourself stronger, lighter, and richer by not spending $200 on a new pack that saves you one pound.

 

Someone sounds bitter that they don't have a couple of hundred bucks to drop on a nice new pack... and it's not me.

 

You're presupposing that it's an either/or decision. Some of us spend a fair amount of time trying to make sure we have the best gear for the job in hand and a lot of time training.

 

You're also assuming that we all want to be rich(er). You can't spend it when your dead.

[Stephen_Ramsey]

Another for the CCW Chernobyl. I haven't carried more than 30 pounds in it (maybe others have, and can comment), but it is a great pack. Randy (the guy who answers emails at CCW) will also customize your pack, if you want. CCW makes a larger pack too, but I can't remember the name.

[crackers]

Randy Rackliff owns and designs the packs at Cold Cold World. I've only met him once, but from what I've heard about him, he stands behind his products and is a decent guy. If i was trying to get a custom made pack, i'd call either him or mchale.

[chesterboo]

Thanks for all the imput people. In the end I think for me it came down to the cold world packs and the cilogear. I ordered one of cilogears packs. I liked the adaptability of it and I like to support small business. If I am not happy with it, I will send it back for a refund. I will keep you all posted what I think. Thanks again. PS, if I am happy with it I may be putting a Gregory Palisades pack and an Arcteryx RT55 in the yard sale. Both in great condition!