Dave_Schuldt Posted May 6, 2003 Posted May 6, 2003 President Bush says he dosn't want a fundamentalist government in Iraq. Hey what's good for the Republican Party is good for Iraq, right? Discuss. Quote
catbirdseat Posted May 6, 2003 Posted May 6, 2003 Bush is a big hypocrite. He'd turn the US into a theocracy if it would serve his purposes, which are to enrich himself and all his buddies. Quote
JoshK Posted May 6, 2003 Posted May 6, 2003 Somebody tell him we don't want a christian fundamentalist government here either while he's at it. Quote
Ursa_Eagle Posted May 6, 2003 Posted May 6, 2003 I thought we had to take the phrase with "God" out of the pledge of allegience, but it's OK for the president to say "God bless our troops"... Quote
Dwayner Posted May 6, 2003 Posted May 6, 2003 Rabbi Schlomo says: Â "You guys don't know from religion! Let's talk climbing! Moses was a climber! And by the way, God bless our troops!" Â Quote
specialed Posted May 6, 2003 Posted May 6, 2003 Religion and government breed absolutism and fundamentalism not moderation. Secularism and keeping the military out of decision making process are the two most important elements of a stable and efficient government. I don't think its unreasonable or hypocritical to impose that requirement on Iraq. Quote
specialed Posted May 6, 2003 Posted May 6, 2003 catbirdseat said: Bush is a big hypocrite. He'd turn the US into a theocracy if it would serve his purposes, which are to enrich himself and all his buddies. Â But I agree with this too Quote
Fejas Posted May 6, 2003 Posted May 6, 2003 "GOD" is such a huge consept that just about every one could relate something to it... the key here is that it is positive and hopefull... there is really nothing more to say... Quote
minx Posted May 6, 2003 Posted May 6, 2003 Necronomicon said: How many sides does a "religon" have? Â clearly it's one sided Quote
catbirdseat Posted May 6, 2003 Posted May 6, 2003 specialed said: Religion and government breed absolutism and fundamentalism not moderation. Secularism and keeping the military out of decision making process are the two most important elements of a stable and efficient government. I don't think its unreasonable or hypocritical to impose that requirement on Iraq. I think that Turkey is the model we should look to for the new government of Iraq. It is an islamic country with a strong secular tradition. It took a very strong leader like Mustafa Kemal Attaturk to make Turkey what it is today. I don't know if such a leader exists for Iraq. Quote
E-rock Posted May 6, 2003 Posted May 6, 2003 Fuck Turkey they wouldn't let us launch operations from their soil, bastards! Quote
Gaston_Lagaffe Posted May 6, 2003 Posted May 6, 2003 E-rock said: Fuck Turkey they wouldn't let us launch operations from their soil, bastards! Â I recall reading that it was against their constitution to allow it. Quote
E-rock Posted May 6, 2003 Posted May 6, 2003 (edited) "I recall reading that it was against their constitution to allow it. " Â Â Â Oops nevermind then, my bad. Edited May 6, 2003 by E-rock Quote
E-rock Posted May 6, 2003 Posted May 6, 2003 Dru said: E-rock said: Fuck Turkey  Yer gettin trask horney.  Does he prefer the cold, dead, grocery variety, or the live, squirming, and moist variety. Quote
Ursa_Eagle Posted May 6, 2003 Posted May 6, 2003 E-rock said: Fuck Turkey they wouldn't let us launch operations from their soil, bastards! Â Damn them for realizing that shrub is an idiot! Quote
E-rock Posted May 6, 2003 Posted May 6, 2003 I was just making the pre-emptive, war-mongering response Quote
rbw1966 Posted May 7, 2003 Posted May 7, 2003 catbirdseat said: specialed said: Religion and government breed absolutism and fundamentalism not moderation. Secularism and keeping the military out of decision making process are the two most important elements of a stable and efficient government. I don't think its unreasonable or hypocritical to impose that requirement on Iraq. I think that Turkey is the model we should look to for the new government of Iraq. It is an islamic country with a strong secular tradition. It took a very strong leader like Mustafa Kemal Attaturk to make Turkey what it is today. I don't know if such a leader exists for Iraq. Â It may have HAD a strong secular tradition but over the last 20 years islamic fundamentalism in Turkey has been rising and openly islamic parties are now allowed to participate in government. Lets also not forget that everytime the political feuding has created social chaos the government steps in and wipes the slate clean. Clearly, Turkey has problems but its also a very young democracy. First multiparty elections weren't until 1946. They too have problems with ethnic rivalries a la the Kurds. Perhaps their model would be a good starting point. Sadly though they don't have a charismatic leader like Attaturk. Quote
Gaston_Lagaffe Posted May 7, 2003 Posted May 7, 2003 I say lets invade Norway. They ADMIT to having WOMD. Lutefisk Quote
Fairweather Posted May 7, 2003 Posted May 7, 2003 1) I haven't yet seen GW posin' on the church steps, bible in hand, like Clinton used to. Â 2) Environmentalism is the religion of the left.....and it is preached to our children in public schools. Â 3) I don't hear any outrage from you libs when The Catholic Church or the National Council of Churches...or VP wannabee man-of-God- Libermann gets involved in politics...as long as they agree with your position on a given issue. Â 4) GW in 2004! Â Â Quote
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