cracked Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 They are weak, heavy, and too symmetrical=confusing. They don't clip well, have a small gate opening, and, IMHO, suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skisports Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 That is what she said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MounTAIN_Woman Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 They are probably one of the most versatile pieces on your alpine rack. With a few ovals, you can eliminate a belay device by using a munter hitch to belay and the carabiner break to rappel. I don't think any of your sport-o rock jock bent gate biners can make this claim. I wouldn't replace my ATC with ovals, but in the event that I dropped it and had to rappel off of something, I'd hate to think my only option was the dulfersitz! I make sure that my rack includes at least four ovals. Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Necronomicon Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 Racking pitons for alpine. They rack and slide around a lot easier than on asym. biners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 Mountain Woman- Ovals are better for the purposes you mentioned, but in fact you can use other biners for a munter hitch or a carabiner break if you have to. Indeed, I have done so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erik Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 bone_ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 funny that ovals are the weakest biner and everyone is recommending using them for a carabiner "break" Â you dont need multi biners to rappel if you have 2 angle pins you can make em into a brake bar, caver style rappel device with a locking biner, good enough to get you down. Â in summary: Â ovals Heavy, weak, still better for some purposes some of the time, retro fashion statement. go well with an elbow-deep chalkbag and some EB's worn with stripy tube socks so that you look like a smoot photo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freeclimb9 Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 funny that ovals are the weakest biner and everyone is recommending using them for a carabiner "break" Â you dont need multi biners to rappel if you have 2 angle pins you can make em into a brake bar, caver style rappel device with a locking biner, good enough to get you down. Â in summary: Â ovals Heavy, weak, still better for some purposes some of the time, retro fashion statement. go well with an elbow-deep chalkbag and some EB's worn with stripy tube socks so that you look like a smoot photo. ROTFLMAO. As if carrying a hammer and pins wasn't retro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 for most infrequently travelled alpine climbs, or ones on rock other than granite, i find pins and tricams is a better rack to take than nuts and small cams. plus i like slammin in a few every climb just to offend the clean climbing purists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt.Caveman Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 Racking pitons for alpine. They rack and slide around a lot easier than on asym. biners. Â ditto. You can put more pins on one oval than on one d shaped.... ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj001f Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 They are weak, heavy, and too symmetrical=confusing. They don't clip well, have a small gate opening, and, IMHO, suck. Â It seems most of peoples beefs with Ovals are with the old BD/Chouinard solid aluminum oval style - me thinks people would have the same beefs about the old D's - tried a Light D lately? Â The new wiregate Ovals (BD & Omegapac) are light and strong (Doval is 37g, 25kN strong) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 I bought half a dozen from the REI outlet website a year ago thinking they would be the ticket for racking. They work pretty good, (except I bought 2 of those new keylocks from BD for racking my nuts on, doh!) Â I got the black ovals and always keep one hanging high on a shoulder strap so I look like a comando who might hang a handgrenade or rambo knife on it. People who see me certainly think "he must be Delta Force, he's tough!" Â PS: I usually try to leave them home when I go to dah mountains but, one or two usually stows away out of loneliness. Be nice to all your biners! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
specialed Posted February 13, 2003 Author Share Posted February 13, 2003 Wow, nice ovals! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catbirdseat Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 sorry bout the caps thing...it is mostly old people who seem to have an issue with it! ha! There are two keys on your keyboard that you should learn to use. They are called "Shift" keys and they are depressed using your pinkies. They are very useful for capitalizing the first letter of each sentence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 Blow me Catturd Don't be such a gurl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoboy Posted February 14, 2003 Share Posted February 14, 2003 Try keeping your chalks, nuts, hexes on spirits. They won't get hung up on the gate when you unclip them. Â I find that the nuts don't get hung up. In fact I think that whole idea is a load of . Â I like having the hook there, the chance of dropping a nut by mistake seems greater without it. Â Ovals = The Best for racking pins. Â My ideal biners are ovals for racking pins and nuts. Attache for lockers, and hotwires for everyhting else. Oh yeah, 50 ovals for aid pitches would be nice to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catbirdseat Posted February 14, 2003 Share Posted February 14, 2003 Blow me Catturd Don't be such a gurl Trask, you are an old guy too. He's criticizing you and everyone who just happens to know how to use a fucking keyboard as though it doesn't matter. Well get a clue, it does matter and I'm not the first person who has been bothered by all caps or no caps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoboy Posted February 14, 2003 Share Posted February 14, 2003 Well get a clue, it does matter and I'm not the first person who has been bothered by all caps or no caps. Â ALL CAPS IS FAR MORE annoying to read then no caps. and it is harder to read too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric8 Posted February 14, 2003 Share Posted February 14, 2003 I think we have reached a new cc.com low. Took a shitty climbing topic to began with and turned into a debate on wether all or no caps is annoying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cracked Posted February 14, 2003 Share Posted February 14, 2003 SO WHAT'S YOUR POINT ERIC? THIS IS A GREAT SUBJECT TO SPRAY ABOUT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allison Posted February 14, 2003 Share Posted February 14, 2003 By far, and whatever the shape, the best thing about Omega Pacific 'biners is where they are made...in PRISONS! Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisT Posted February 14, 2003 Share Posted February 14, 2003 allison if you enjoy products made by inmates, you might also like prison blues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted February 14, 2003 Share Posted February 14, 2003 Blow me Catturd Don't be such a gurl Trask, you are an old guy too. He's criticizing you and everyone who just happens to know how to use a fucking keyboard as though it doesn't matter. Well get a clue, it does matter and I'm not the first person who has been bothered by all caps or no caps. Â I COULD FUCKING CARE LESS HOW SOME CHODE WANTS TO FORMAT THEIR GODDAMN POST. i'm not that petty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fleblebleb Posted February 14, 2003 Share Posted February 14, 2003 LOOK, INAUDIBLE YELLING! TWO TRICKS AT THE SAME TIME! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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