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You'll also notice a picture of one of our own cc.com'ers. How exciting!

Some situations require extra attention. I always try to pay extra attention when I'm scared. Seems like a positive use of something most people try to avoid.

shed-head: Seriously though...what do people think of rapping vs lowering off a questionable anchor? It seems to me rapping would be the way to go but what do I know??? ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ how about... neither?

The Gallatin National Forest has released a Benchmark Travel Management Plan that would seriously impact access to the ice climbing in Hyalite Canyon just South of Bozeman, Montana. The benchmark plan would result in the road being plowed to the Langhor Campground at which point a gate would block the road. Beyond the gate the remainder of the road would be groomed for snowmobiles and skiers. If implemented, this plan would force ice climbers to reach the climbs by either snowmobile or by skiing a minimum of 8 miles one-way [to climb Genesis I-the closest climb-would involve 4 to 6 hours of skiing]. The process is still very young, and the Forest Service seems willing and ready to listen to public input. It seems that the Forest Service is not aware of how large a user group the ice climbers are or how important Hyalite is to ice climbing in the Northern Rockies. Therefore it is important to realize that the sooner we all contact the Forest Service the more likely they are to amend the plan and include access to the ice climbs. The first public comment period ends Friday, November 22, 2002. If you are "from out of town/state/region", the important message to convey in your comments is that Hyalite Canyon is nationally and internationally know for the quality and quantity of ice climbs. Please also inform the Forest Service if you have ever climbed ice in Hyalite...how many times and when. If you have not climbed in Hyalite, stress that you plan to or would like to be able to in the future, and therefore, continued access to the climbs is critical. Below are some important points to include in your written comments: 1. Indicate how many times you went ice climbing up in Hyalite last Winter. These "user days" are how the Forest Service quantifies a specific use of Forest lands. 2. Stress that Hyalite Canyon is the only ice climbing area within 150 miles of Bozeman. Therefore, it is imperative that the Forest Service preserve the access to the ice climbs and this important group of public land users. 3. Point out that snowmobiling and skiing are valid recreational activities, but they can be practiced in many places where waterfall ice climbing is unavailable. In Hyalite, Langhor and Moser Creek could still be reserved for cross-country skiing. Other areas conducive to non-motorized use, and particularly cross-country skiing, include Brackett Creek, Sourdough/Bozeman Creek, and Bear Canyon. These are three geographically different areas provide easy access from Bozeman and feature topography that lends itself to cross-country skiing. It seems that the Benchmark Travel Plan provides plenty of other options for motorized, specifically snowmobile, winter use. 4. Suggest that an alternative to the existing Benchmark Plan would be to plow the road to Hyalite Reservoir and clear out the Blackmore Parking Area as a winter turnaround/parking area. Then allow Forest users to continue to drive up the road as long as conditions allowed, similar to the current situation. The reservoir could provide a convenient place to "dispose" of the plowed snow that would ultimately melt and contribute to the water supply during the Spring and Summer. To review the Travel Plan visit http://www.fs.fed.us/r1/gallatin/projects/travel_planning/index.shtml WRITE: [Must be postmarked by Friday, November 22] Gallatin National Forest Attn: Steve Christiansen PO Box 131 Bozeman, MT 59771 E-MAIL: mailroom_r1_gallatin@fs.fed.us Put "Travel Plan Comments" in subject line ON-LINE COMMENT FORM:http://www.fs.fed.us/r1/gallatin/projects/travel_planning/html/form_comments_gnf.htm l Thanks for your attention and activism. Please feel free to contact us with any questions. Barrel Mountaineering 240 East Main Street Bozeman MT 59715 406.582.1335 ph 406.582.1302 fx http://www.barrelmountaineering.com [ 11-11-2002, 08:52 PM: Message edited by: max ]

I drove by drury falls sat morning and ice was forming. Just some rim, but still exciting.

quote: Originally posted by Dru: Carl Sagan (I think) once ... Was it Richard Fienman? [ 08-14-2002, 07:26 PM: Message edited by: max ]

quote: Originally posted by Cpt.Caveman: I got more pulled posts than anyone Maybe that should be the new addition to our profiles: how many post have been pulled.

www.summitpost.com oh wait. That's mt. Dickhead. Sorry... My bad.

quote: Originally posted by Cpt.Caveman: Max you just hate anything coming from my direction. No, I just don't like people being loudmouth jassasses. If you'd shut your trap, I think the other cool stuff about you would shine through. quote: Originally posted by Cpt.Caveman: Come try and shut it up. Thought so wimp. Only the weak resort to violence.

Originally posted by Cpt.Caveman: quote: Max some of us think you might be a loudmouth jackass too Data: Cave/Ray posts: 4146 + unknown number in avitars max posts: 263 Conclusion: caveman is 20x the loudmouth jackass max is. Originally posted by Cpt.Caveman: quote: If she just moved on and shut up and left me alone there would be no issue. Duh quote: You can all say what you want. All I know is allison is asking for it. SHe knows how I will respondI had a neighbor who beat his wife. He used to say things like that. You need help. [ 05-02-2002, 11:52 AM: Message edited by: max ]

I think it's cool the DOT took the time to document and present some of the details concerning the avy danger on HW20 and how they're reducing those dangers. It makes me realize they know how much people want to get up there. I think people often get frustrated because they feel govenment agencies don't understadn the publics desires (in this case: getting into the WA pass area) The DOT coming out and saying "this is what's up there that's keeping it closed and this is what we're doing to try and take care of it" makes people realize they're working on it. And the pictures of that gun are awesome! I'd love to be able to be there for that.

the answer is: no

6 yeah, some geeks just have more staying power than others.

quote: Originally posted by Crackbolter: It does not matter how slow you go, as long as you don't stop. - Confucius Confusius must not have known about convergent integrals. Sorry, every once in a while a geek's gotta' geek-out.

quote: Originally posted by Crackbolter: It does not matter how slow you go, as long as you don't stop. - Confucius Confusius must not have known about convergant integrals. Sorry, every once in a while a geek's gotta' geek-out.

quote: Originally posted by Dwayner: ...values which I find are worthwhile and are being lost by and to the present younger generation of climbers. I think you and I have talked about this before too. Don't blame the "present younger generation of climbers" for what you'r beefs with where climbing's going. I know plenty of geezers that clip and drill bolts, and I know plenty of punks that are very much into a high ethical standard and probably have as much respect for the spirit of climbing as you. When you make false accusations like the above, you're going to piss people off.

The "I-don't-care-what-you-think" thing just doesn't fly from either of you. If you didn't care, why are you getting worked up about this and spending time writing about it? My opinion: anyone who speaks from a position of "authority", "maturity" or "wisdom" is setting themselves up for being a hypocrite, sticking their foot in their mouth, and pissing people off. Especially if their not wise enough to understand and tolerate the arrogance and crassness of youth. But it doesn't matter if they don't care what other people think....

See, when you say it like that, you don't piss nearly as many people off! to clean climbing!

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quote: Originally posted by Dru: ...if you never seen Project Grizzly the movie you might be right about now The best outdoor adventure movie I've ever seen. Highly recommended.

As absolutely retared the sticker pack is, if it meant the differenc between my daughter wearing or not wearing a helmet while they climbed, I'd buy two. Otherwise these things belong in Boulder only!

quote: Originally posted by Retrosaurus: Max, I hear that all climbs have updated info in the new book. You should stay home until it comes out for your own safety. Hopefully it will be obsolete by the time it is available, then you should just stay home. One word: ADVENTURE. Been there? Can't find it in a guide book. Mitch: If you go back and read my posts, you'll see I really have nothing to say about pearly gates being safe/open/easy to find/a good or bad place to climb... I was just agreeing with Crack's comment about loud mouth jackasses on this sites. I'm all about adventure climbs!

I'm looking for partner(s) for 1-3 day trips nearly anytime in the last third of may. Anything as long as it involves climbing and doesn't involve a bunch of spray. I prefer weekdays at the crags, but alpine on the weekends is great too. If it matters, I'll lead anything well in to the .10's and follow (with jumars!) anything. Alpine ice and rock routes are fine, too. Also, if you're interested in day ski trips (short or long), send me a note. grouchous_rex@yahoo.com

I've heard it's been pretty snowy on the west side this winter. How's the moisture conent on the east side? Is it going to be a dry year? Above/below average flow on the Wenatchee? Above/Below average prediction on the irrigation availability? What's the fire forcast?

A comment (not particularly applicable to the original question) on simu: I hear so much about how simu is fast and how speed equates to safety. But something I think many peole don't consider is simply getting in shape is a good way to increase speed w/o compromising safety. I'm not saying simu isn't a valid technique, but if you're really interested in speed (safety), getting in shape is the first thing to do.