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Jens, although it may decrease the power and endurance short term during the event, a longer muscle is a strong muscle, so home stretching is critical. However, it's a double edged sword because you want to increase the circulation to your arm in between pump fests, without over stretching the muscle. So you need to find a balance. Short pumping action stretching will decrease the spasm and promote vascular flow and venous return. Shaking out the arms and rubbing them and tapotment (slapping them) will also help. If a good stretch is what you need, do it while you are taking a decent break so you have time to recover.

I'm curious. How many of you have had prescription orthotics and have had either a resolution of symptoms, or gotten worse/new symptoms? What was the reason you got them, and how have the helped or hindered? Did they create new pains elsewhere, or cure old pains unrelated to your primary complaint? Were they soft, hard, semi-rigid, half length, full length. How much did you pay $$ for them? Just curious..I'm considering considering fabricating my own in office for patients. Me? I underpronate/supinate and have a 11mm anatomical leg length discrepancy and just bought a pair so I haven't had a chance to really see what happens. Thanks, Mike

Yoga falls under slow static streching 2nd question already answered in part in my the previous post towards the end. I think a big part of muscle tightness is due to improper biomechanics either from poor form, or a compensation for a structural fault, and stretching will help, but not solve the root cause.

Slow static stretching at least 30seconds duration and up to as much as 5 minutes will legnthen the fascia and muscle fibers through the viscoelastic properties of the tissue. Best used in chronic postural shortening of muscles. It can take a very long time to achieve results, but may be the single best treatment for a tight or tender muscle. "Active" "PNF" "Muscle Energy" techniques of muscle stretching rely more on the muscle tone set by your nervous system (golgi tendon organ, muscle spindles mostly). These types of stretches done alone, or with another person, relax the muscle and reduces the overall tone of the muscle. These types of stretches are very useful for post traumatic (minor or major) muscle tightness. The key is to engage the antagonist to relax the agonist, set a new barrier or legnth, and then engage the agonist. There are many types of this type of stretch, all relying on the basic physiology I mentioned above, but using differnt levels of muscle contration, and amount of stretch put on the muscles. This type of stretch is a good 1st line of treatment for all type of muscle tightness. Studies have shown that pre-performance stretching increases the likelihood of injury and a decrease in performance. This is likely due in part to a change in proprioception to the muscle spindles and inhibitory effect from stretching. A light aerobic warm up before activity is more effective. -Mike Layton

Choad, the DDX's high on the list for your back if it's related to your lifting is Disc Herniation, Disc Derrangement, Facet Syndrome, Sprain/Strain, and or Instability. And same for the Knee, it could be patellar tracking issues, chondromalacia patella, ITB syndrome, synovial plicae, torn menisus, or knee instability from lax/torn ACL,PCL,LCL,MCL. A detailed history and physical exam and conservative course of treatment is applicable for ~6months at which time a re-evaluation and xrays with MRI or CT if warrented, at which time you can decide if surgery or rehab will fix it...but with no gross damage or severe lack of function a conservative approach should benifit your complaints.

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Hey thanks for that info! I would imagine that place has a local snoobery like no other. Which is expected, and probably justified. But paranoid, I doubt anyone has invaded the area since I posted a few trip reports. Sweet job on the Castle Dome route (and others). How hard is it to drill in the rock? I'd imagine it's really hard.

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Sewer rats live longer than lab rats who die of natural causes.

Kangaroo Pass from the Liberty Bell Group...i think. Looks x-tra green though

DeCapio's a p-whipped married man, you can't name drop scott anymore

Are you talking about your forearms? On the "non-palm" side (posterior)? You can get compartment syndrome there I guess, but sounds more like tendinosis or a muscle strain. Without actually knowing what's up, it's hard to say. I doubt your bones are involved. You probably need to strengthen the non-pulling muscles to balance out your arm. i.e. you're overdoing it.

I think it's easier to climb w/o leashes...so leashless tools are aid in my opinion.

Washtington Pass traverse....starting from Liberty Bell

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If you suspect Dihydrogen Monoxide overdose, or if you exhibit any of these symptoms, you should consult with your physician or medical practitioner. The data presented here is provided for informational purposes only, and should in no way be construed as medical advice of any sort. Watch for these symptoms: * Excessive sweating * Excessive urination * Bloated feeling * Nausea * Vomiting * Electrolyte imbalance * Hyponatremia (serum hypotonicity) * Dangerously imbalanced levels of ECF and ICF in the blood * Degeneration of sodium homeostasis A recently noted medical phenomenon involves small amounts of DHMO leaking or oozing from the corners of the eyes as a direct result of causes such as foreign particulate irritation, allergic reactions including anaphylactic shock, and sometimes severe chemical depression. What is a chemical analysis of Dihydrogen Monoxide Recently, German analytical chemist Christoph von Bueltzingsloewen at the Universitaet Regensburg identified what may be key reasons why the dangers of DHMO are ever present. According to von Bueltzingsloewen, the chemical separation of dihydrogenoxide from the hazardous oxygendihydride is extremely difficult. The two similar compounds curiously occur in nearly equimolar distribution wherever they are found. It is not clear how the two contribute directly to the dangers inherent in Dihydrogen Monoxide, although von Bueltzingsloewen believes that a synergetic mechanism, catalyzed by traces of hydrogenhydroxide, plays a major role. What can I do to minimize the risks? Fortunately, there is much you can do to minimize your dangers due to Dihydrogen Monoxide exposure. First, use common sense. Whenever you are dealing with any product or food that you feel may be contaminated with DHMO, evaluate the relative danger to you and your family, and act accordingly. Keep in mind that in many instances, low-levels of Dihydrogen Monoxide contamination are not dangerous, and in fact, are virtually unavoidable. Remember, the responsibility for your safety and the safety of your family lies with you. Second, exercise caution when there is the potential for accidental inhalation or ingestion of DHMO. If you feel uncomfortable, remove yourself from a dangerous situation. Better safe than sorry. Third, don't panic. Although the dangers of Dihydrogen Monoxide are very real, by exercising caution and common sense, you can rest assured knowing that you are doing everything possible to keep you and your family safe. How can I find out more about Dihydrogen Monoxide? We would be happy to tell you more about DHMO! Send us email, and we'll gladly attempt to keep you up-to-date on current developments in the study of Dihydrogen Monoxide, its uses and misuses. There are a number of sites on the world wide web that contain more information on DHMO and related topics. It should be noted that we do not endorse these sites, nor do we control their content or political bias. Links to related information DHMO web sites * Anti-Dihydrogen Monoxide Coalition (Ames, Iowa) * Coalition to Ban Dihydrogen Monoxide (Headquarters) * Coalition to Ban Dihydrogen Monoxide (Netreach) * Friends of Hydrogen Hydroxide (DHMO supporters) * Material Safety Data Sheet Environmental & Safety Information * SafetyBiz.com - Safety Engineer Jay Preston, expert in safety services and accident prevention * Clean Air Engineering - promoting environmental responsibility and economic prosperity

Now that we've exhausted the issue of vaccination when it comes to conspiracy theory health care fads, lets inanely banter about why some people are soooo anti-fluoride. We can discuss geniticly altered food, wheat allergies, etc, in another thread... I've heard a lot a complaints about how fluoride in the water does nothing, is poisonous, etc etc. What are the facts or reasons behind this. So far the stupidest thing I've read are 1.)the compound used to fluorinate the water is close in molecular structure to dioxin...fucking retarded argument. 2.)it has been shown to lower IQ by 3-5 points. How in god's name could that be found out? anyone? I'd love to hear the other side (why it's bad).