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OMFG THE NEW JURASSIC 5 KICKS ASS!!!!

Bone it's funny you hear people bitch about the spray but the truth is that this happens on every kind of message board and it usually way worse then here. I've read hilarious stories, even shit like knitting and gardening websites where the spray was so uncontrollable that they had to shut down the boards. mary "My tullips aren't doing to well." jane "Tullips suck, roses rock your dome!" mary "I'll crack your dome open with my shovel beyotch! " trask "I knew there a lot of hos around here!"

quote: Originally posted by Stefan: quote:Originally posted by Dru: Stefan - How many of your trip reports have been deleted Personally I totally disagree. If you want no-reply TRs then post on summitpose or nwta. If there wrre no replies to TRs there wouldnt have been Muir on Saturday or the current West Ridge of Prussik thread and Scot'teryx would never know he was gaining acceptance as he learns to climb more and chestbeat less. I know I said deleted. I guess I meant "lost" in the array of spray. If you want beta on some peak you have dig through all the spray and odd posts that pop it. Who has time for that? Well, maybe you Dru. Not me. I need something fast. Efficient. Without spray. That's what a lot of people want from the web. Stefan I agree with you it would be nice if you didn't have to dig through tons of crap in some of the TR but thats life. Yes unfortunately on occasion TRs get moved to spray, but very rarely. What sucks about your arguement is that you somehow don't have time to weed through something. Why are you in such a hurry? You don't have time? It's like hurry up and give me my fucking beta now! And send it to my self phone because I'm in the car on the way to get my frapachino.

The stuff on the front page needs to be fixed. Problem is everytime we have to reload the software we have to fix that which sucks. And we're lazy. The links page has been terribly neglected, I had a pretty good one going until we switched to a content management program and we never got the links page back up. I can understand the standpoint of less forums is better. From our standpoint the more forums we can have to get things out of the Climbers Board the better. Reason being is server space. If you look to see how many posts are in the Climbers Board there are a ton. If we have to purge posts at some point we could lose some good stuff. I think the point of posts being in wrong forums that Dru brought up is a good point, it will be up to the moderators to keep an eye on this and the users can always say something too. More moderators would help to not to act as cyber cop just to make sure things are in their place.

Hey I think I see Bigfoot in one of those pictures? What has been done with the license plate numbers? Chances are if the plates are valid and these guys are as stupid as they sound, they should have a criminal record which along with the pictures and witness accounts would be probable cause. Any luck with the Police? Time to go to the media?

Hey I got a question for you guys and gals which I don't think we have ever talked about before. Do you like the way the forums are organized? Should we add more forums and/or change the organization for some of them? Is the Route Reporting Category broken up into enough forum or should we break it up more? How about Ice Climbing conditions, is one forum sufficient or should we break that up more, like a couple for different areas and maybe one for techniques and such? There have been some First Ascents reported, should we put those into their own forum? I know there are some ski sites out there, but should we add some forums for Ski Mountaineering type stuff? Lowell, Beck, AlpineK what do you guys think? I was thinking we should add a Tech Talk forum, there has definately been some good conversation here regarding rope use, what type of racks your carry etc., but unfortunately these will get lost in the Climbers Board forum over time. Thanks for the feedback!!!!

Werd up Pope homeskillet. Here is my prayer Pope. My this workday end sooner So I can go to the gym and look at some boobies And then go home and have a beer Amen

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Do you have something you want to add Pope? Are you angry yet? Am I in your head? Don't let it ruin your day old pal it's just the internet, it's just spray, hey it's just climbing.

Spare me the drama Pope. Actually I wanted to leave the thread up but somebody requested that I remove it... actually I think you know them Pope. Who you don't know is me, so don't tell me I was besides myself or it was out of character or any of that crap.

quote: Originally posted by Dru: fact is most people who visit this site are climbers who are bored and want to divert themselves. either by finding out beta or by spraying or by watching others do that. Actually Drul we are adding a new feature that will allow webcams so you can watch other people spray if you don't have the courage to.

quote: Originally posted by Greg W: Jon, with contests and all it sounds like this could be pretty organized. Are we going to put tape on our helmets with our screennames on them and wear them around the campsite? Actually with the names taped to their ass we can see whos barfing up milk. Milk Challenge!!!!! I'll buy a prize and get the milk, there will be an entry fee, and the proceeds will be used for something cool, maybe the Goran Kropp memorial???

quote: Originally posted by erden: quote:Originally posted by salbrecher: This past summer a friend and I from highschool, inspired by GÖRANS bike, biked to Golden ears from my home in White Rock hiked it and biked home. Now it was only about 100km bike each way but we kept saying how we were going to be GÖRAN KROPP . Even since last year I have been planning to do a bike trip to Logan "KROPP STYLE"! I think i'll call our Mckinley team "KROPP on top". GÖRANS the man I agree it was a "KROPP STYLE" trip! Hats off to you for doing it... Now you have to "Göran Size" that, and go on a longer trip. Come here and we will go from Seattle on the Cascade Loop with our bikes, carrying all of our climbing gear with us. We will do the Liberty Bell and other climbs at the Washington Pass, then continue on around back to Seattle. Maybe a group of the cc.commers can join us and we can have a party all the way Whatchasay? Erden. Sounds painful.... I'm in!

Jens, Bone, Bill, Effortlessly Cool One, Alex, Off, JayB, Sneaky Fingers, AlpineKronic, E-dog et. al, Thank you for your thoughful remarks, I truely appreciate your guys insight, the time and thought that you obvioulsy put into your posts, and with some of you on occasion the fine conversations and . I'd feel like a broken record if I repeated what I've said before so I won't.

Jens, Bone, Bill, Effortlessly Cool One, Alex, Off, JayB, Sneaky Fingers, AlpineKronic, E-dog et. al, Thank you for your thoughful remarks, I truely appreciate your guys insight, the time and thought that you obvioulsy put into your posts, and with some of you on occasion the fine conversations and . I'd feel like a broken record if I repeated what I've said before so I won't.

Hey no worries my friend it was just an interesting observation and I suspected just that. Erden you strength is contagious, stay strong brother, and for gods sake get some sleep.

Hey I've got a suggestion, GET OVER YOURSELVES!!!!! While for a while I found your guys antics entertaining now they are just pure irritating and insulting. Here Dwayner bitches about how this site jumped shark or whatever but a lot of his arguement is pure hypocricy. He has done more than his fair share of bashing people let me tell you. How about the email Dwayner sent me about the return of Donna Top Step becaue this site just wasn't "funny" anymore? Christ I'm sorry Dwayner that you aren't having fun anymore, but seriously dude when you start creating an atmosphere that is defaming to women posters what do you think is going to happen? Women climb too Dwayner though if you want we could make this a sausage party. Then the first time you meet me at Pub Club you have the audacity to question my decision with the whole "internet cop" bullshit. Considering how abrassive you were instead of being cool about it I should have told you bite my ass. Does you wife read what you post, wonder what she would think if she did? I wish I had the time that some of you guys did to post nonstop garbagte while I'm working my fucking ass off so I can eat, because you know what I would do? Not be in front of a computer that is for sure. Face it, you guys are here purely for entertainment value and thus will receive little sympathy from me or others. Oh wait, you'll get none. You make it seem like you care about the direction of the content of this site? If you did you would on occasion post beta or trips reports or whatever instead of crapping in sleeping bags and pictures of that Stoppard idiot and the non stop diatribe about bolting and how vantage sucks. You didn't even have the decency to hold back on the thread about Goran's death. This site is nothing without the users. The content is as good as what the users post. The more people posting info the better. If you want to see this site realize it's potential then post stuff that is usefull to your fellow climbers and the occasional good laugh. If you just want to be an idiot then register lots of screen names and post about crapping in sleeping bags. Or you can just get lost.

I haven't had the chance to read through a lot of the recent posts on this thread but I did read the what was posted on everestnews.com and it seemed very inaccurate to what has been posted here. I don't want to thread creep here but here is something that I was curious about. I was looking at various local news sources including some climbing websites to see what "news" they had about the accident. In two of the three articles I found they had taken the text directly off this site without referencing the actual source. Now I'm not bent out of shape out of this, but aren't they supposed to do that?

TOOOOOOFFF!!!

quote: Originally posted by Attitude: quote:Originally posted by jon: I think one of the questions is whether it is worth figuring out what the specifics of what went wrong, regardless a very insperational person is now gone.... I'm not sure what lesson is to be learned here. We place gear on lead and call it 'pro' - protection - because we expect it will hold and save us from long falls. In this instance, it didn't work. The goal should be to figure out what went wrong so that we can improve our protection systems and reduce the chance of it happening again. One positive result of this discussion is to get people thinking critically about protection from all angles, including gear, gear selection, placement and technique, and maybe learn a little more to improve our own climbing. Thanks. Attitude, very crafty way of quoting me, you may have a future in politics. Just to be clear, I wasn't saying that it wasn't worth it in this case, just saying there there are instances where there are so many factors involved with so many unknowns that you speculate all you want and analyze the thing to death, and what you can end up with is conclusions on both sides of the spectrum. Even in those situations there are lessons to be learned. I think as more information becomes available about the exact gear and as the accident becomes more pieced together, This has been a really great thought provoking discussion, and even though it is a result of something incredibly tragic and sad I think a lot of people will come out of this with thinking more critically about how they climb as well as a newfound appreciation for life.

I've tried to figure out what I should say here and I think I'll offer my views from the perspective (as usual) of someone who witnessed a friend have an accident of the same magnitude but with a different outcome, and had to confront the same questions being posed here; what happened? In February we were climbing at the feathers and my friend topped out of a climb, got ready to be lowered, came out of his rope, and took a 60 foot groundfall. The imagery of Erden's account was just way to real and upsetting for me. What I experienced that cold February day in Vantage I hope I never have to experience again, seeing a friend bleeding and unconscience on the ground and waiting a week while he is in a coma to see if he'll come back to us, and what the end result. I'm very thankful that my friend survived his accident although he has had a very long recovery (he made his first trip to the climbing gym last week). I'm more grateful now considering Goran's unfortunate accident from the same height. I think one of the questions is whether it is worth figuring out what the specifics of what went wrong, regardless a very insperational person is now gone. The outcome of an "investigation" may not be comforting to some especially if the conclusion is "human error". On the other hand though if there is some equipment defect then that needs to be identified to save others the pain that Goran's family and friends are undoubtebly going through right. In the case of my friends accident we will never know what exactly happened, we have ideas, but he doesn't know what went wrong and neither do we. And it doesn't matter, because what's important is not what went wrong but what lessons are to be learned from it. What we learned is that accidents can happen anywhere, whether it is at a roadside crag like Vantage or days out in the Pickets, and you need to be prepared to deal with the situation. Another lesson learned is you never can be to cautious, and while things like constantly checking your partners knots and using the verbal commands straight out of Freedom of the Hills may seem silly at times it's worth it considering the potential consequences. I'm not sure what lesson is to be learned here. Maybe some newcomer here will read about what is being discussed and take into greater consideration the risks of climbing and proceed with greater caution? Maybe the hardmen will too? While I'm upset over the tone of Dwayner's comment, the reality is that even a world class climber who may seem immortal to many can die at a place as benign as Vantage.

HURRAY IT'S OUR BIRTHDAY!!!!! After running this thing for two years now I can honestly say that I'm much stupider after reading all this crap and meeting some of you. HEY WERE ARE THE PRESENTS!!!

My boss saw Lowell's presentation at the Mountie lodge at Mt. Baker ski area and said it was incredible. Thanks for posting the info Lowell!

quote: Originally posted by trask: WTF?? Can you post here unregistered? I thought this was an exclusive club. Who let the dogs out? Trask you idiot it's obvious that their member file is corrupted CM3 send us an email with you registration info and we'll get you fixed up.

I've been told that the family has been notified since it has been in the press in Sweden since this morning. What an incredible person, my thoughts are with the friends and family.