John Frieh

Turkey has been freed a few times. luvshaker: are you referring to rock or alpine or both? If rock, talk to Jim Anglin (I can get you contact); he knows all the rock. If alpine, I will quote my friend Brock: "It hasn't been done yet because its bullshit..." Don't waste your time here... go to the Ruth Gorge.

Yup. Still awaits a winter ascent... and they say the North Face of Eiger is thee North Face to do...

Wasn't that done in October? I don't want to split hairs or dis bubba, but playing by the rules it doesn't count as a winter ascent (if I have the date right). Yes it was winter conditions, but...

Cot damn if that's accurate... makes you wonder how much longer before the emperor face goes down in winter.

Nope... but chances are I was too busy looking out for elephant traps on the way out that I walked right past him. Is he in there scoping what I think he is? Comments DPS?

I thought it had already been done in winter a few years ago... is that what you are referring too? Man that's a hot route...

I looked for it but didn't see it... descent tunnel vision I guess. Did you ask the other crew that did Ice Cliff? I am headed back up there again soon so I can keep an eye out. J

Care to identify the genesis? Dare I say it (and I hope it's not the case), but those could qualify as some classic last words...

Identify route (approx. location/pitch), manufacturer, and approx. size and I'll gladly return it.

Assuming you're not being sarcastic; I would think mounties would want to make an extra effort to attend such events; especially if you are in search of a dose of climbing reality. I'm not trying to start yet another mountie bash session, but I think you will (or perhaps have already discovered yourself) that once you start pursuing climbs of greater difficulty, you will find that you take less than you did on some day hikes you did with the mounties. What am I trying to say? I’ve met many ex-mounties, but never someone that climbed for years and then joined the mounites. See you at the next event!

A frameless pack will just keep you honest on what you should and shouldn’t' take on those long approaches. The BD price tag makes it a sweet deal, but it seems like you could do with out a lot of the extra stuff (a.k.a weight) on the bag. I'd recommend trying out the Chaos and the Wild Things Ice Sac and buy the one that feels better. I love my ice sac (and andinista for that matter). Also check out granite gear and grivel's offering in alpine packs.

Might want to reconsider that alpine start policy... Good trip report; by chance did you get any photos of girth?

MVS: How was the ice step(s)? Comments?

Finger of fate... better quality climb than Outer Space.

Moderators! We need an Idaho section! Climbing or Rock and Ice did recent article on reopening. A new guide book is in circulation which covers many of your questions. PM wazzumountaineer; he is the Idaho hook up. And if you have time, go into the sawtooths (elephant's perch, finger of fate), you won't regret it.

dead animals = mexican bud Hippy.

Good points. Remember: more flexible around the ankle = more rock climbing friendly

That or they would have a link to this thread... Madvillain! My pick for album of the year (so far)... waiting for the new RJD2...

All I'm saying is conversation like this will not improve your current situation. Pay the cover charge or go find another bar... I gotta ask: why do you place fault with the woman?

Turd alert. Somebody needs to flush this thread.

If you fear public reprimand from the site (I know I do); pm me and I promise not to reveal it. I'll do my best to offer some rec's for you. Since your current pair is larger; you might be looking at a new pair. J

Those actually climb alright. Are they your street size or significantly bigger? What do you hope to climb (if it's any of my business)?

New liner is trimmer; however my friend just got them and hasn't taken them out in truly cold conditions. He had the older liner version and never had a problem with cold feet. CBS: I hope your friend is right.

Any girth pics?

How many days do you anticipate for your trip? If its 2-3 days, lower elevation, and you're diligent about keeping them dry, leather is always better. What are you wearing right now? Are they upsized? Have you tried moderate rock in them?