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It's a new day when the Idaho Forum is as hot as it is now. Nice work boys!

Bleach. Best you can hope for is to kill the smell. You may have to live with visible spots. Good luck.

Johnny, you did a bad thing, a very bad thing!

Seven Virgins and a Mule isn't hard enough, although it's fun. There is a somewhat harder chimney at Middle East Wall that's a 5.8. (name is not coming to me right now) Add to the list Battered Sandwich at Private Idaho, Index and the Northwest Corner of NEWS.

I saw that too. And all the first posters are all encouraging him to do it.

The Tooth.

Many chemical reactions have activation energy barriers. Use of catalysis can lower the activation barrier. It's quite possible that that is what is happening here. But I can say without reservation, you can't get more energy out than you put in. This inventor is running a con game. This reminds me of Cold Fusion. Maybe the excess energy is coming from fusion?

Are you implying that we should take time out to do other activities, such as...CLIMBING! Pshaw!

Some of us are floating in space. Porter, just what have you combined with those pain pills of yours?

Jens mentioned to me how he removed the keeper strap from his REI Liberty Harness to save weight. Perhaps that is best described as false economy?

Would someone kindly translate the thread title into English?

If the climber pendulumed, he was either off route, or was top roping without the draws being left in place when they should have been. I hope you set him straight on the danger he placed you as well as himself. Did the guy fall off of Subliminal, 5.10b, to the right of Hurly Burly? That one looks like it traverses to the left.

The way you phrase some of your statements make it sound like you didn't climb it, yet you said you did, or were you referring to adjacent routes?

Great trip report. Edge-of-the-seat all the way!

Now, now. Don't get all excited. I know you meant to tell the good man that oxygen and hydrogen are not easily split from water, by electrolysis or by any other means. We know that by the laws of thermodynamics it takes as much energy to produce hydrogen from water as we get when we burn hydrogen. Hydrogen is best thought of as an energy storage medium. It's promise is derived from the potential to store more useful energy per unit weight in a car.

Colin's a busy guy with an agenda. If you want to get him on film you better be prepared to go to places like Pakistan or Patagonia and other places that start with P and rhyme with "pucker".

Most climbers like to think of themselves as something other than athletes. Athletes are people who play games. Pick Wayne or Colin, or Wayne AND Colin. You'll need two climbers anyway, unless this is about soloists. Wayne has done some of that, BTW.

Does it have separate prices, with and without mojo? I assume that for $120 you're going to be getting the mojo.

Porter, best wishes for a swift and complete recovery. P.S. Can I borrow your ropegun while you are laid up? I'll return him in the same condition that I find him.

I wonder if his nose grows longer when he tells lies?

Age and trickery taking the place of youth and braun.

Your pictures! All I have is butt shots and banana slugs in cracks:-( And don't even have those for today climbing, although I have hopes! Don't you just hate it when a banana slug takes that perfect finger lock spot that you need to get off the ground?

Nah. Just repeating what he said in the TR. Perhaps he meant south, which would make sense given the comment about having to climb back up to the packs. I've wanted to do a route on Chair but couldn't make much sense out of the approach info I've found so this is good stuff. That scree field above Source Lake "looks" like a straight shot up to the base. Now to prod one of my climbing partners into having some fun Our party of four climbed the route today in about 9 hours car to car. We enjoyed it. From the end of the Source Lake Overlook trail climb up a talus slope to the left of a stream bed. The talus gives way to a dry stream bed which you climb steeply until you emerge into yet another talus slope. You will reach cliffs that block your path. Bear right and find a faint bootpath heading up heather slope and into trees. The route trends right until it emerges in the basin below the Thumb Tack. Watch out for bees and enjoy the huckleberries. We decided to do the same "winter rap route" because I wanted to show my buddy Larry so he'd be familiar with it in case he wanted to do the North Face this winter. There is no anchor at the top of the chimney and you can't reach the one with the three pitons. We downclimbed to a chockstone anchor with a cave and did a single double rope rap followed by more down climbing. Having done both descents, I can say that rapping the route is to be preferred. Here I circled the anchors which we didn't use. We belayed from a small tree below and to the right of the bolts and had to do about 10 m of simulclimbing to reach the tree.

Park at Snow Creek Parking Lot and go across the street. I think the trail trends left as it climbs. Poison Ivy Crack is a left facing corner crack with a roof finish. Planet of the eights can be top roped but it's a bit risky walking down to the anchors. A belay might be in order. The three routes there all can be led safely and take small gear.